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    Default Skin-on-frame canoe in the make

    I could not resist just posting one photo. About a month ago I started on a new build project - a skin-on-frame canoe. It is held together with polyester whipping cord. When I get so far, the skin will be nylon cloth and thereafter some varnish to waterproof. The ribs have been steam-bent. I have also steam-bent the ends of the stringers to help get the wood to twist at the bow and stern so that the wood can lie relatively flat.


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    it's look good , nice work

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    What are you going to skin it with?

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    What are you going to skin it with?
    Traditionally seal skin?

    But I have bought a piece of ballistic nylon cloth from http://www.belone.net/caiacs-belone/...materials.html

    Some guys in our canoe club were building Eskimo sea kayaks (qajaqs) and they did a group order for some fabric. I ordered 5 meters for 50 Euro's. It's been lying in the attic for about 3 years now. The boat I am building is 14 foot so it should easily cover it.

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    sounds great! how long until you can get it wet?

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    I like that allot .


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    how long until you can get it wet?
    Too many other things going on at the moment. Not in a hurry.

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    The self-build bug got to you hard, didn't it?

    I like the look of your new project already. Can't wait to see it finished.
    What's the estimate on the weight when finished?

    A skin-on-frame build sounds less time consuming than the strippers you already built. Is it?

    I guess that canoe will not be ready for the Dutch meet next week?
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    Hi Digger,
    Boat is built from Yellow Pine (stringers) and cedar (ribs) so it should be really light.
    Theoretically it is far less time consuming than a strip built boat but I will only make that judgement when it is finished.
    Won't be ready for Dutch meet - off to Open Canoe Festival and then some paddling Ardeche, Chassesac and Allier in plastic boat!

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    Default Frame finished - well nearly

    Now its time to add floorboards, thwarts and a seat.



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    looks good
    i can't wait to see it finished, am really curious how it will turn out.

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    That is really looking good ! I'm fascinated by the skin-on-frame concept.

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    Mmmmmm!!! that is really nice. I'm planning a stripper to go with my stitch and glue, but I think there may well be a skin on frame in the queue too

    Keep the piccies coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcn View Post
    I'm planning a stripper to go with my stitch and glue, but I think there may well be a skin on frame in the queue too
    Boat building can be addictive. I first built a solo cedar strip, then a tandem cedar strip and now this one. I don't actually need another boat. Just building for fun.

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    That looks soooo good and that's before it's skinned. I take it the ballistic nylon is shrunk/tensioned so it only touches the ~ horizontal strips and then it's waterproofed. Any guesses on a final weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potty Paddler View Post
    That looks soooo good and that's before it's skinned. I take it the ballistic nylon is shrunk/tensioned so it only touches the ~ horizontal strips and then it's waterproofed. Any guesses on a final weight?
    It is only waterproof as I understand after you have also added a water based polyurethane coating to the ballistic nylon skin. The boat is pretty light at the moment but I made some some floorboards (cedar) and thwarts (ash) today and still have to make a seat and some deckplates. The cloth does not feel that light. That all adds weight but the challenge I set myself is to make the boat as light as possible. My stripper weighs 21kg and I am hoping this will be less than half that weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddler.nl View Post
    It is only waterproof as I understand after you have also added a water based polyurethane coating to the ballistic nylon skin. The boat is pretty light at the moment but I made some some floorboards (cedar) and thwarts (ash) today and still have to make a seat and some deckplates. The cloth does not feel that light. That all adds weight but the challenge I set myself is to make the boat as light as possible. My stripper weighs 21kg and I am hoping this will be less than half that weight.
    I can't wait to see this progress ... really well done ... please post more pics.
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    Nice one, best of luck!

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    Looks very interesting.
    If I were the builder, I would be very excited to try it
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    Default A little more progress

    Quote Originally Posted by Potty Paddler View Post
    I can't wait to see this progress ... really well done ... please post more pics.
    Back from holiday yesterday, and time to start working again.
    Today I finished sewing on the "skin" (ballistic nylon) and shrunk it by wetting it on the drive and letting it dry out in the sun.


    Frame completed




    Adding the skin



    Results so far!!




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    nice. finished in 2 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lennart View Post
    nice. finished in 2 weeks?

    ??? see how it goes

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    kanotreffen?

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    ...... wow ... it just looks better & better.
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    Default More progress

    Added varnish (Coelan gloss) to waterproof the nylon skin and added a rub rail this weekend. Just need to finish and attach the seat.



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    Really like the boat nice job, I have considered doing the same myself when I have more time. In scanning the web for information I came across this American company who sell plans for a range of boats made in the same way. I hope you don't mind if I post the link on your post.

    http://gaboats.com/boats/
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    Looking lovely ... any guesses on what she weighs now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudman View Post
    Really like the boat nice job, I have considered doing the same myself when I have more time. In scanning the web for information I came across this American company who sell plans for a range of boats made in the same way. I hope you don't mind if I post the link on your post.

    http://gaboats.com/boats/
    The basic design is a Snowshoe 14 from gaboats. I bought the plans for the design of the boat - I wanted to build a 14 foot solo with some rocker. I modified the design slightly.
    I did not use their method of building - they use epoxy glue, reinforcement with kevlar roving, and a Dacron fabric.

    I tied the boat together with Marlow whipping twine, used a balistic nylon fabric for the skin and attached the cloth by wrapping it round the gunwale and sewing it on.


    any guesses on what she weighs now?
    Just weighed the boat including seat. Total weight is just under 13 kg (29 lbs). Gaboats claims the Snowshoe weighs 20 lbs but I did use a different building method and used quite a heavy cloth for the skin. My woodstrip solo weighs 21 kg so it is certainly lighter than that.

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    Thanks for the info, You must either be a bachelor or have a very understanding wife to let you build it inside the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudman View Post
    Thanks for the info, You must either be a bachelor or have a very understanding wife to let you build it inside the house.
    I am the wife!!! Different rules apply for women. No car engines allowed in the living room. Actually the major part of the build was done in the garage. Only the task of putting on the cloth and sewing it to the frame was done in the living room.

    And the boat got launched this evening. It floats. There are some clamps in the photo's as I was determining the best place for the seat. I will tie in the seat properly tomorrow.

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    and paddles quite nicely...


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    Well done it looks good on the water and looks pretty stable, are you happy with the way it paddles?

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    Hello paddler.nl,

    really nice boat. Hope to see you again and then with this boat.

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    That looks like a really responsive boat; effortless to paddle or maybe you just make it look easy! You must be very pleased with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamC View Post
    That looks like a really responsive boat; effortless to paddle or maybe you just make it look easy! You must be very pleased with it.

    Graham
    Thanks everyone for all your nice comments.
    Hubbie also tried it out last night and as you see it seems to glide quite nicely independent of the paddler.

    see

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    Really, really, well done.
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    Fantastic, I am in awe of your skills

    I bet you are pleased with it, being so light it must be effortless to paddle.
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    Wow....that looks absolutely fab!! What a great job.....
    To Canoe is to be moved!!!

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    greeat boat paddled it yesterday. for a couple of hours. it surfded well turns well, glide is lovely, no racer and ooasl not slow at al I am again impresed. It is better then the pics. Hopefully it will be paddled lots.

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