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    Default Mad River dumps IQ Gunwales

    Had a look at the Mad River website recently and it looks like they've dumped the "solution looking for a problem", as someone on SotP put it, IQ gunwales. So might be a chance to pick up a canoe with the now old style gunwales cheap?

    Also looks like they've finally realised their market position is under threat. They've released a bunch of seemingly fairly high spec composite versions of a few of their familiar hull designs. I have to say, though, that that I find it a bit strange that you'd make 3 different composite versions of the 16ft Explorer, including an ultralight layup, but still not offer the two Reflection hulls in anything other than RX? Seems a little counter intuitive to me?

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    It's possible that they got from Dagger *only* the molds for making Royalex Reflections. It would be an expensive pain in the neck for them to make new molds for composite hulls.

    They have had composite molds for making Explorers for a very long time. People know the Explorer, recommend it to others, but when the weight issue arises, the potential of a composite boat sale appears.

    Few of the public are aware of what nice multi purpose hulls the Reflections are. Even when Dagger was making composite Reflections (and I knew some of their builders, better than anyone at Mad River in my opinion) they were not selling very many.

    Actually I've never known members of the canoe industry to be overwhelmingly rationale about what is in their lines. So we may be seeing random noise.

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    Yes. I own an Explorer in RX and like it for what I do. But I find it hard to believe that anyone in the market for a $2600-$3100US composite (MR's asking price) would have the Explorer high on their list. Add to that that they're kind of doubling up with the composite Malecite...

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    to be honest the IQ2 gunwhales are a bit of a waste of time anyway, aside from the novelty of cup holders they are not much use.

    The runner entry point is at the bow and stern so they tend to slide out when under pressure so most people i know dont use them and drill holes for airbag lacing.

    Never met anyone who used the spray deck option either. No harm in having it as an option but waste of time and money to put them on every boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedfiremaker View Post
    to be honest the IQ2 gunwhales are a bit of a waste of time anyway...
    Always seemed fairly pointless to me, and the accessories were too expensive. But I don't think they got in the way either.

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    Pardon my ignorance. But what are IQ gunwales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Pardon my ignorance. But what are IQ gunwales?

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    Somebody's kidnapped that "E" again.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Somebody's kidnapped that "E" again.
    Oh st, here we go again.

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    If your boat seems to fill by a funnel,

    Perhaps it is lacking a gunnel.

    There seem to be several spellings for these decorative little shelves.


    And Crow said, "Pardon my ignorance. But what are IQ gunwales?"

    Speaking as a psychologist who has given many IQ tests, IQ gunwales are an attempt to look smart. Otherwise, people will be pardoning your ignorance.

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    What is expected of a Brain of a winged avian that eats carrion?

    (where is that ducking bullets emoticon?)( we have all the advantage of the time zone difference..)

    Is IQ in direct proportion to the number of cup holders you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowcanoe View Post
    Is IQ in direct proportion to the number of cup holders you use?
    I somehow ended up with four of them and can honestly say that the improvement to my cognitive function was instantly palpable...hang on, where am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowcanoe View Post
    Is IQ in direct proportion to the number of cup holders you use?
    Inverse proportion surely?

    Cupholders belong with fluffy dice, giant chav earrings and the three wolf T-shirt meme IMHO (unless used "ironically").

    Anyway, thanks for all your helpful and informative replies!

    I'll remember that and hold it against you, next time I know something that you don't!! (Which, I appreciate, may be a very long time from now, but I can wait.)

    Anyway in the absence of constructive help from anyone here, I've done some research of my own. Unfortunately all I've come up with are some pictures of what look like curtain rails and a rabbit smoking a pipe (surely illegal?)

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    ive no idea what they are either. but as asking that question here got nothing but a list of members trying to prove just how much smarter they are than anyone else. i'll try and look them up myself. i foolishly assumed that when someone asked what is in my eyes a perfectly reasonable question, they might have recieved at least one helpful reply. or do you need to be in the clique to avoid the smartarseisms?
    sod work, im off for a paddle.

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    It's all right, John, I know these folk, they're OK and it's all just joshing, no harm intended. Tongue in cheek which is why I replied tongue in beak.

    FWIW Smoking rabbit aside, as far as I can fathom having had a look now, IQ Gunwales seem to be some rail system built into gunnels on Mad River canoes, to allow things to be attached - cupholders and airbag attachments etc. As far as I can tell...

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    IQ gunwhales were designed as a design feature being an extruded channel in the gunwhale that accessories such as spray covers, airbag covers can the fed into a (through the channel) and therefore easily fixed and removed in the boat without drilling etc.

    People didn't like them because the accessories are expensive and the channel is not bomb proof - when you really need the accessory to stay in place it doesn't.

    I understand that they no longer fit them and when I get my new MR Legend on Friday it should have the new gunwhale system - that is the type of gunwhale used by other manufacturers

    Hope this helps

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    Ah ha Friday it is then. not the 19' Pink Coleman i suggested then !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Rat View Post
    Ah ha Friday it is then. not the 19' Pink Coleman i suggested then !
    er.... yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    er.... yes.


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    when I get my new MR Legend on Friday it should have the new gunwhale system

    found some photos of the new boat on e bay with free hoar!
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fibre-glass-ca...item230d46ee59

    Mmmmmmmm nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    FWIW Smoking rabbit aside, as far as I can fathom having had a look now, IQ Gunwales seem to be some rail system built into gunnels on Mad River canoes, to allow things to be attached - cupholders and airbag attachments etc. As far as I can tell...
    Yep, as well as catching dry suits zips, BA straps and the like - I don't think anyone actaully classed them as an entrapment hazard but certainly annoying from time to time - or that's my understanding at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Rat View Post
    (Quote Happyfish)

    when I get my new MR Legend on Friday it should have the new gunwhale system

    found some photos of the new boat on e bay with free hoar!
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fibre-glass-ca...item230d46ee59

    Mmmmmmmm nice


    Gosh. The things some people will do to sell a canoe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Rat View Post
    (Quote Happyfish)

    when I get my new MR Legend on Friday it should have the new gunwhale system

    found some photos of the new boat on e bay with free hoar!
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fibre-glass-ca...item230d46ee59

    Mmmmmmmm nice
    Can I ask a question now please? what's a hoar? sounds a bit dodgy for a family site!

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    Can I ask a question now please? what's a hoar?
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