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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisPage View Post
    There is a difference between a tree being down as it fell.... My point was that as paddlers we should be expecting rivers to be manicured for navigation.... If there's an inkling that a move to recognise existing or legislate for new PRN would lead to a huge burden on landowners.
    This feels like deja vu all over again. Nobody is suggesting he manicures the river, just that he refrains from using it as a dumping ground for barbed wire and concrete blocks.

    As for any additional burdens, regardless of whether there is a PRN, the riparian owner already has numerous responsibilities by way of maintaining the river, including, since you mention it, the removal of fallen trees. He also has the responsibility to maintain the natural watercourse, not cause any obstructions that might lead to flood.... etc etc ad infinitum.
    I'm at that difficult age... somewhere between birth and death.

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    I received this answer from Geoff:

    Hello Doug

    Sorry for the late response, I only just saw this.

    Thanks for the advice. I am actually only targeting those companies and organisations who are making large sums of money from directing their customers and clients through my property, not the solo paddlers who are of minor concern in comparison.

    People need my permission to paddle through my stretch. This is not my opinion, it is the law. Just because many canoeists feel that the law is ‘wrong’, that doesn’t alter the fact that the law exists - and it’s the same law that should protect you from people abusing your property.

    I hope that my charges will persuade the armadas of hire canoes to launch where they can do so for free (downstream of Hay bridge) and so reverse the situation we now have, where a ‘we can do whatever we like’ attitude has reduced my fishery from that of a beautiful location to a theme park full of screaming day-trippers. This will benefit all those who use and appreciate the river - rather than just those who are profiting from it at all our expense - but especially mine.

    Geoff

    I now asked for clarification on the "law" that everyone in your position and Angling Trust fails to show or declare. I have never come across a law that says it is illegal to canoe on a river in England or Wales.

    Doug
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    Hi guys, a few of us paddled Glasbury to Whitney last weekend and saw nobody and saw no obstructions just had a great paddle. There where a few hire canoes on the water too and as far as I'm aware they had no issue either. Hopefully you all have the same experience. I did here that this guys wife is the mayor of Hay on Wye so whether he believes this will give him some clout but I doubt it. Also that his heavies aren't all that heavy! Obviously I can't confirm these comments but they did make me smile just a little. Happy paddling guys Atb, Daz.

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    Thanks for the update. I'm hoping to head along from Glasbury this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger73 View Post
    Hi guys, a few of us paddled Glasbury to Whitney last weekend and saw nobody and saw no obstructions just had a great paddle. There where a few hire canoes on the water too and as far as I'm aware they had no issue either. Hopefully you all have the same experience. I did here that this guys wife is the mayor of Hay on Wye so whether he believes this will give him some clout but I doubt it. Also that his heavies aren't all that heavy! Obviously I can't confirm these comments but they did make me smile just a little. Happy paddling guys Atb, Daz.
    Hopefully reality has kicked in and he has taken some sound advice, as the actions he was proposing could have serious implications for him. As for his wife being Mayor of Hay-on-Wye this would work against him as she must stick to the law and be neutral in her actions.
    "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men"
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    I paddled that stretch with a group on Sunday. There a few hire parties on the river. No idea where his fishery is, but only saw one fisherman who we passed behind. He just got on with casting and ignored us.
    Sam

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    It's currently the fishing close season (April 14 to June 14 (ish)). So any fisherman that you see is probably breaking the law anyway.

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    Open for salmon and trout

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudman View Post
    Hopefully reality has kicked in and he has taken some sound advice, as the actions he was proposing could have serious implications for him. As for his wife being Mayor of Hay-on-Wye this would work against him as she must stick to the law and be neutral in her actions.
    Perhaps he's looked at the evidence and has changed his opinion on what the law is. A summary of the evidence is on River Access for All and a more detailed version can be downloaded at http://www.riveraccessforall.co.uk/d...efordshire.pdf

    There is very clear evidence that neither Parliament, the officers of the county of Radnor, landowners or the users/carriers on the river considered that the navigation was confined to Herefordshire and downstream.
    Keith

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    Did Glasbury to Hay yesterday and saw no obvious signs of a concrete block (river is quite low at the moment) although there were signs of some pieces of fence wire-thickness wire-like stuff covered in bits of weed river right somewhere around the danger point shown on Paddlepoints. They were sticking 3 feet or so above the water level. Also one of my colleagues in Hay today (non-paddler) said that there was a known obstruction in the river between Glasbury and Hay but she was unclear whereabouts.

    No hassle from the fishery owner, nor any others, at any time during the trip.

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    Well, I think I'll be passing through this stretch over the Summer.

    From what has been said it seems unlikely there'll be any attempt to extract a passage fee but if so the course of action seems clear.

    Remain polite.
    Keep a camera running of the proceedings.
    Make a complaint to the local police reporting pubic nuisance (hindering a public right of way) and fraud. If there are threats involved that's another one for the police report.
    Make absolutely sure the complaint is recorded in writing and obtain the case number for follow up.

    What action the police actually take is up to them. But it's a start ...
    Happy paddling ,
    Rob.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gwing View Post
    ...Make a complaint to the local police ...
    I think the police have got enough on their plates. After the initial publicity it sounds to me like he'll probably ignore any respectful canoeists (us) and that all he wants to do is discourage the hire companies. And I must admit, having witnessed the hire companies and their clientele on the Wye, I don't blame him.

    In any case, if anyone gets abuse, just bid him good day, feign ignorance or deafness and stick to the middle of the river - what can he do?
    I'm at that difficult age... somewhere between birth and death.

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