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    Hi

    I’m thinking of getting a larger lighter canoe to accommodate my family
    in one boat as my children continue to get bigger. I currently have a 17
    foot Novacraft prospector SP3 which is rather heavy at over 40 kg. It
    set up with three seats and I use it for the following combinations.
    Predominantly on flat water or gentle moving water not white water.
    - Paddling with my wife and two young children (four and six) with one
    child on the middle seat and one on a removable kneeling saddle in
    front of the yoke.
    - Paddling with two adults
    - paddling solo loaded with a lot of camping kit either using a kneeling
    saddle or the middle seat.
    I would hope to use my new boats for these purposes along with paddle
    sailing using a Solway dory expedition rig or Bermudan ketch rig.

    The two canoes I am aware of that fit my requirements don’t seem to be
    available in the UK.


    Souris River Canoes
    Quetico 18.5 Specifications
    Length: - 18’ 6”
    Weight:
    49 lbs. (KEVLAR)
    48 lbs. (Carbon-Tec)
    Gunwale width - 36.5”
    Rocker - 2”
    Depth:
    Bow - 20”
    Centre - 14”
    Stern - 20”







    Swift Canoes
    Keewaydin 18.6
    Optimum Load Range: 375-650 lbs.
    Industry Capacity: 1200 lbs.
    Hull Shape: Asymmetrical
    Length: 18’6"
    Gunwale Width: 32.5”
    Maximum Width: 35.5“
    Waterline Width: 32.5”
    Centre Depth: 14”
    Bow Height: 21”
    Stern Height: 18”
    Bow Rocker: 2”
    Stern Rocker: 1.25


    Assuming I’m able to get one of these to the UK somehow I have a concern
    about the ability to repair any damage that might occur so was
    considering getting a skin on frame boat to a similar specification instead.

    I’m also surprised at the substantial difference in beam (gunwale width)
    between the Swift and the Souris River. Does anyone have advice on how
    stable either of these canoes are to paddle and appropriate dimensions
    for my intended use if I decide to get a skin on frame boat built;
    specifically something wide enough to have a moderate amount of
    stability for children who can move unpredictably, or what factors other
    than beam affect primary and secondary stability.

    Thanks

    Ewan




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    I have the Souris River Quetico 17 here in SW Scotland. Is a very stable canoe - I find it hard to see the 2” of rocker when looking at the hull. It is enough though, and suitable for the use ....
    I like canoes ......

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    One thing to consider is that I predict that at some point, the kids will want more freedom than sharing a canoe with both of you and their sibling for entire trips. You may be better getting a lighter 17', and adding in a kayak or solo boat for you to swap around into in a few years time. You've probably got 4-6 years before they don't want to share a canoe with each other. 17' is big enough while they still tolerate sitting next to each other...

    The Bootstrap family have a Swift Prospector 17, kids are a few years older than you. They've bought a Swift solo boat in anticipation of expanding into it at some point.

    As for materials, the lads had a Swift Temagami in Rogen, which is 17'6". It took a battering, lots of rocks etc, at landings, on portages, in shallow rapids. The main damage was a couple of big chips to the gel coat, which would be easily repairable (others do this regularly enough though I've never had a boat with gel coat).

    This was the biggest chip:
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    All these boats are easily repairable. I pretty much put a Souris River 18 back into use this summer that was essentially in tatters.

    Here in the UK I have a Swift Winisk, a Swift Keewaydin 17, Swift Keewaydin 16 and a Swift Kipawa all for sale. These are 4 year old boats and have been used lightly as my work fleet in that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattT View Post
    All these boats are easily repairable. I pretty much put a Souris River 18 back into use this summer that was essentially in tatters.

    Here in the UK I have a Swift Winisk, a Swift Keewaydin 17, Swift Keewaydin 16 and a Swift Kipawa all for sale. These are 4 year old boats and have been used lightly as my work fleet in that time.
    Ewan, either the WInisk or Keewaydin 17 would be worth looking at (the others are pretty good too, just a little shorter, Kipawa is 16'6). I've seen them (last summer), they're all in decent nick.


    There are some pictures in this blog: http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/for...363#post617363

    Excerpts;

    Winisk




    Kipawa




    Winisk, with one of the others behind, I think the Keeywardin 17.


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    Thanks for your quick replies I sent a couple of private messages.

    I'm still contemplating getting a skin on frame boat built based around a dimensions of one of the craft discussed above.

    For anyone who's paddled the Swift offerings and soloris river how did the different hull shapes compare in terms of stability?

    Children already don't like sitting next to each other and I've not got quite enough space to take a decent size paddle stroke if I've got them paddling on both side sitting in front of me in the 17 ft canoe. Currently one sits on the seat between the aft seat and the yoke and the other sit on a kneeling saddle between the yoke and the front seat.

    Already thought that the children will want to move into using their own boat

    I'm also planning to get a shorter 14 or 15 foot canoe for me to paddle solo and for the children to use when they're bigger.

    Thanks

    Ewan



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    I have a Swift Keewaydin 16'. It's a lovely stable boat paddled either solo or tandem, and it has a fair turn of speed. I have to assume that an 18' version would be much the same, only with better load carrying facilities. It does not have the freeboard that your current NC prospector has though, so maybe you should take that into consideration.

    If you like your current boat, then an 18' NC Prospector in a lighter material might be another to consider, and if buying new it may well prove cheaper than what you've mentioned so far, depending on which layup you opt for in any make.
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