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    Default No Canoeing during spawning but wading is ok!!!

    http://www.flyforums.co.uk/trout-gra...-spawning.html

    Someone asked:
    Grayling season is well underway on my local. That means lots of deeper wading into faster runs. What I worry about is disturbing trout redds while wading into grayling zone.

    Are there any hard and fast rules for where and where not to wade?



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    Re: Wading during spawning
    Legally it is an offence against the Salmon and Freshwater Fish Act to wilfully disturb spawning fish, fish spawn or areas where there might be spawning fish or fish spawn.

    The key word is wilfully, you have to wade in the knowledge that there may be spawning fish or fish spawn where you are wading.

    My club committee debated this issue last night as we have excellent grayling fishing on the Welsh Dee but a lot of the water is a potential salmon and sea trout spawning area.

    We decided that we would indicate known redd areas with markers on the bank, issue advice to members that wading in these areas would potentially disturb spawning fish or redds between November and January, and that any member reported for wading might open themselves up to prosecution under SAFFA. The placing of the markers and the issuing of the advice makes any subsequent wading in those ares wilfull if it disturbs fish but for a successful prosecution the angler would have to be identified, the presence of spawning fish or fish spawn proven and also there would have to be proof that the act was wilfull. We stopped short of actually banning wading preferring to let the members make an informed decision on the day.

    That's the legal position, good practice suggests that anglers should be careful wading in fish spawning areas no matter what the species or advice as the idea is to avoid disturbing fish as much as it is to avoid being caught breaking the law.

    Many overlook the fact that SAFFA applies equally to all fish species, not just migratory fish or trout, it is equally illegal to disturb spawning minnows whilst salmon or trout fishing.


    So wading is ok but the same people don't want paddlers who according to EA research do not disturb fish to paddle on 'their' rivers......

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    Ah !! But are their waders gawdy colours???

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    I'm thinking of Alaska where huge bears are allowed to disrupt salmon spawning. They disrupt some fishermen also.

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    I eventually got an answer to some questions about the Hampshire Avon from the local EA Fisheries Technical Specialist. Having asked if there were any plans to make maps of spawning sites available (as per the EAW on the Conwy), the short answer was 'no'. It was stated that providing details of "specific redd locations are not necessary as it is safe to assume that all shallow and fast flowing gravel areas, and particularly those associated downstream of hatch and weir pools, are used by migratory salmonids to spawn on."

    Quote Originally Posted by Quicky View Post
    http://www.flyforums.co.uk/trout-gra...-spawning.html

    Someone asked:
    Grayling season is well underway on my local. That means lots of deeper wading into faster runs. What I worry about is disturbing trout redds while wading into grayling zone.

    Are there any hard and fast rules for where and where not to wade?



    One of the answers

    Re: Wading during spawning
    Legally it is an offence against the Salmon and Freshwater Fish Act to wilfully disturb spawning fish, fish spawn or areas where there might be spawning fish or fish spawn.

    The key word is wilfully, you have to wade in the knowledge that there may be spawning fish or fish spawn where you are wading.

    My club committee debated this issue last night as we have excellent grayling fishing on the Welsh Dee but a lot of the water is a potential salmon and sea trout spawning area.

    We decided that we would indicate known redd areas with markers on the bank, issue advice to members that wading in these areas would potentially disturb spawning fish or redds between November and January, and that any member reported for wading might open themselves up to prosecution under SAFFA. The placing of the markers and the issuing of the advice makes any subsequent wading in those ares wilfull if it disturbs fish but for a successful prosecution the angler would have to be identified, the presence of spawning fish or fish spawn proven and also there would have to be proof that the act was wilfull. We stopped short of actually banning wading preferring to let the members make an informed decision on the day.

    That's the legal position, good practice suggests that anglers should be careful wading in fish spawning areas no matter what the species or advice as the idea is to avoid disturbing fish as much as it is to avoid being caught breaking the law.

    Many overlook the fact that SAFFA applies equally to all fish species, not just migratory fish or trout, it is equally illegal to disturb spawning minnows whilst salmon or trout fishing.


    So wading is ok but the same people don't want paddlers who according to EA research do not disturb fish to paddle on 'their' rivers......

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