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    Can you get the bike in the canoe to help with shuttles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal Grey View Post
    Can you get the bike in the canoe to help with shuttles?
    I'd give most things ago but I'll pass on the motorbike


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    NovaCraft Prospector 16 on top of a Hyundai I30.


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    Default Wenonah Prospector Sandwich



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    I'll be putting my canoe on the car soon for the first time!

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    12 foot Selway Fisher Ranger on a Dacia Duster.
    Can be set up like this with no overhang but should really move it back a foot so the roofbars are more central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemlock View Post
    12 foot Selway Fisher Ranger on a Dacia Duster.
    Can be set up like this with no overhang but should really move it back a foot so the roofbars are more central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaldMan Jump View Post
    You've gone Romanian aswell then??
    Had to be done.
    Looks totally gangsta with the privacy glass 😈

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    Orca Lakelander on a Smart car en route from Penrith to South London!! I said to him, avoid speed ramps!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaldMan Jump View Post
    You've gone Romanian aswell then??
    Have you checked he hasn't nicked yours? You being in foreign parts and all that...
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    Got a bigger car now but the Venture Hunter still overhangs quite a bit


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    how do you put an image on here? i can never seem to manage it....thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chameleon View Post
    how do you put an image on here? i can never seem to manage it....thanks
    Well you used to do it using photobucket to "host" your image (turns out it was more like your image was "held hostage") after first re-sizing and uploading the edited image to photobucket but now you can either find another third party hosting site like flickr etc ( and wait for them to do exactly what photobucket did) or else pay for a subscription to this site (£5) and you can paste your images straight onto the forum.

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    thank you kind sir.

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    I think it is a pity, that non of the modern car designs offers the option to have that much spread of the two racks (see next post).
    This is a much saver way of transportation compared to racks that are only one meter apart.

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    Not my car, not my canoe.


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    Unhappy

    I too mourn the passing of the 700/900 series Volvos with real gutters.
    The V70s are ok , just not as good at load lugging!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flo-mo View Post
    Not my car, not my canoe.

    I have an alternative but less elegant way of transporting bikes and canoe.

    Cykell towball rack

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    Default Venture Prospector 155 on Ford S-Max

    The roof bars are on fixed anchor points, these are only about 80cm apart therefore the boat is always anchored front and back. There are some anchor points in the boot space and I pass the tape under the tailgate. At the front I use the towing eye, this is off centre. This picture is an early version, the front and back lines are fastened to the front and back of the gunwale. These days I pass the straps through the grab loops. Interestingly the drop off I have in fuel economy when I drive with the Thule square roof bars fitted (not Aerobars) doesn't seem to get much worse with the boat on. Probably something to do with a nice aero/hydrodynamic shape.
    When loading solo I load from the back with a towel and Karrimat on the back to protect the car paintwork.
    Top Tip: Don't have the car in a crosswind when loading if the wind has picked up. Point the car downwind.

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    Shiny!

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    Been offered a Ford Edge here in Canada. Anyone any experience of putting a canoe on top of one of these please?

    Bars seem a bit close together....
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    Two Swift Keewaydin 17 canoes on Toyota RAV4, attached via Algonquin Outfitters rental rack (for more detail see blog)



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    Grizzle, Have a look at my post from the 16th Sept. Ford S-Max. This is about 1 1/2 inches lower than the Ford Edge. I haven't been able to find out what the spacing is for roofbars are on the Edge. The S-Max has fixed anchor points in the roof rail about 75-80 cm apart. Which feels quite close, as can be seen with the straps, hence tie downs front and rear.
    It feels pretty stable at 65-70 mph but I haven't driven in a serious cross wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzle View Post
    Been offered a Ford Edge here in Canada. Anyone any experience of putting a canoe on top of one of these please?

    Bars seem a bit close together....
    Does it already have bars on it ?
    I ask because my Hyundai has the same type of low level roof rails that the Edge appears to have (the UK version at least), which have locating holes for the roof bar feet to fit into,
    However, I bought Thule bars (rather than Hyundais own) and feet to fit my car and the feet don't have the small lugs that fit into the locating holes, which allows me to space the feet and bars as far apart as the rails will allow. Ideal for carrying canoes .

    As for getting your canoe on top, the Edge is obviously somewhat higher than your Merc, so getting a canoe up there will be more difficult/awkward and you ain't getting any younger .
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    Ah! It has a Sun roof and the dealership here tells me that the roof just isn't strong enough to take rails or horizontal bars....

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    Two canoes on roof rails will not tax its capabilities one bit.
    Never heard such rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzle View Post
    Ah! It has a Sun roof and the dealership here tells me that the roof just isn't strong enough to take rails or horizontal bars....

    Comments please?
    Makes sense, find another vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moomoo View Post
    Two canoes on roof rails will not tax its capabilities one bit.
    Never heard such rubbish.
    It isn't rubbish at all, and your comment could be very misleading for the uninitiated.
    All car roofs and all roof rails and bars have a weight limit. Some canoes are very heavy, and two of them could severely tax those weight limits.
    Apart from the weight of the canoes, don't forget the amount of uplift generated on canoes on a car roof, especially when travelling at speed. The equation isn't all about canoe weights, it's about total force generated onto the car roof when transporting items on it.
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    The Ford info on the Edge in the UK shows it fitted with a roof rack. The rails look very similar to those on my Focus (which has carried two Royalex canoes without issue) but they may only be cosmetically similar. Does the one you've been offered have rails, and a sunroof in between, or just a glass roof?

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    Hi,

    It has just a glass roof - but plastic longitudinal inlays as if there could be fixings beneath...

    Hmmmm
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    Nope, I'm with the dealer then - not suitable. Sorry!

    It beats me how anyone can market a vehicle with 'Utility' in the type that can't take a roof rack - especially in Canada. I suspect it's designed for a country a little to the South.

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    Thanks to all - very helpful.
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    The Edge that's sold here in the Uk have two specs with roof rails fitted, the flush type, not the raised ones. These are fine for canoes.
    Is there not the same option in Canada ? If so, why not go for one of those rather than one with a glass roof which are often problematic anyway i.e. leakages, breakages and lack of stiffness compared to a metal roof ?

    They get good reviews here, be a shame to pass on it for the sake of a glass roof.
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    Many thanks to every body contributing here Im new to canoeing and transportation is one of my biggest issues, many thanks again

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    When exactly are the bow and stern tie down straps in some of these pictures required?

    Ive just got my first rigid,a sit on top kayak, and am wondering if its a personal choice, practical requirement depending on roof bars spacing or legal requirment?

    Edit- Also, Ratchet straps or cambuckle? i only have experience of ratchets at work, and i tend to go a bit over the top tightening them, but the cambuckles look a bit flimsy from the pictures i can see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trig View Post
    When exactly are the bow and stern tie down straps in some of these pictures required?

    Ive just got my first rigid,a sit on top kayak, and am wondering if its a personal choice, practical requirement depending on roof bars spacing or legal requirment?

    Edit- Also, Ratchet straps or cambuckle? i only have experience of ratchets at work, and i tend to go a bit over the top tightening them, but the cambuckles look a bit flimsy from the pictures i can see?

    Its up to you, but I use front tie downs all the time. They do several things. Help prevent potential lift if a gust gets under the canoe, help stop potential forward movement in a bump/sudden stop, back up to a failed main strap (it DOES happen, I know of 2 this year) etc. However the main thing I find they do is stop side winds from trying to twist the canoe round. I could not use them for short trips, but I tuck a permanently attached cord into the bow of the canoe, so its only a matter of half a minute to attach them, and its got so as I'm paranoid that the one time I don't bother will be the time something happens....

    My tie downs are secured to the actual wings under the bonnet, the bolts going through a hole I made and heat-sealed in the strap.

    I used to use a rear tie down, from a strap attached securely inside the boot and underneath the tailgate, but I found it didn't really do anything useful other than get in my way when opening the boot a little, and bending the hatchback!


    I only use cambuckles, they're bombproof if tightened correctly and tied off neatly (subject to wear and tear of course!). With ratchets, its harder to judge when you're overtightening them which can hurt the hull of the canoe. THey also bite my fingers!
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    When exactly are the bow and stern tie down straps in some of these pictures required?
    Typical reasons are (a) belt & braces, in case something fails on the roofrack, (b) extras to help stabilise the boat in crosswinds/driving fast or (c) recommended by the roofrack supplier and thus necessary to ensure that some motor insurance policies remain valid.

    The one in my post #684 above are slightly different. They are the primary means to hold the boat on the roof rack, as the roof rack isn't fixed to the car in the usual way. It's just sitting on the roof, and held down by straps through the door openings. The benefit of the system is that it will fit practically any car (unless it has a glass roof) so is ideal for rental.

    It's important not to overtighten them, as it's quite possible bend the car roof, the canoe or both, so I wouldn't use ratchet straps as tie downs. They're OK for direct strapping of a canoe to the roofrack, although I've always used camlocks and they've been fine. Depending on the shape of your SOT and whether it's cradled, ratchets may or may not be suitable for it.

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    Alright, cheers.

    Ill have a better look this weekend as havent tried loading yet. Its a van ive got, so im not sure where the front of the kayak will be in relation to the front of the van, for tying down.
    Will buy some cambuckles tommorow, wasnt too keen on them going by the pictures but if others are using them and most of the kayak specific straps are cambuckle they must be fine.
    Im just a bit paranoid, which is why im wary of the ratchet straps,as I tend to go as tight as i possibly can, then try for some more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trig View Post
    Alright, cheers.

    Ill have a better look this weekend as havent tried loading yet. Its a van ive got, so im not sure where the front of the kayak will be in relation to the front of the van, for tying down.
    Will buy some cambuckles tommorow, wasnt too keen on them going by the pictures but if others are using them and most of the kayak specific straps are cambuckle they must be fine.
    Im just a bit paranoid, which is why im wary of the ratchet straps,as I tend to go as tight as i possibly can, then try for some more
    To be honest, I'd be less worried with a kayak. The long and deep side profile of an open canoe catches the wind lots. SOT kayaks less so, you'll probably not find it necessary except as a back up.

    Just for clarification, my cambuckle straps end up perfectly, properly, tight, they just don't compress the canoe or stress the attachment points. My acid test is simple. Once secured, I grab the gunwhales of the canoe and give it an almight shove/rock. If it moves on the rack AT ALL, I re-do it. If the car just bounces on the suspension, its fine. Make sure the straps meet the roof bar tight against the hull and vertical, if they're slightly angled outwards they allow the boat to move sideways.

    Once you've done it, you'll soon find the whole thing simple enough. Each of us have a "system" we've developed, and I do like to stick to exactly the same process each time. Ensures I get it right.
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    Just for clarification, my cambuckle straps end up perfectly, properly, tight, they just don't compress the canoe or stress the attachment points. My acid test is simple. Once secured, I grab the gunwhales of the canoe and give it an almight shove/rock. If it moves on the rack AT ALL, I re-do it. If the car just bounces on the suspension, its fine. Make sure the straps meet the roof bar tight against the hull and vertical, if they're slightly angled outwards they allow the boat to move sideways.
    This is the best description I've seen thus far on how to do it properly and should be followed to the letter if you care about your boat, your car and anyone who's following behind you.
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    Thinking about it, i have loadstops on the roof bars, so perhaps i could run a third strap (or even some sort of wire padlock for night security) around these if all im concerned about is a backup incase of strap failure.

    All will become clear no doubt as you say

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    backup incase of strap failure.
    If you have an estate with roof rails, fit two straps over the boat and around the roof bars, and then a further two around the boat and the roof rails.
    If you don't have roof rails, then you can fit two straps around each roof bar and over the canoe.
    I've been accused of overkill for doing this by some gobby Canadian person (not on SOTP), but it's my life, my boat and my car, so better safe than sorry.
    Common sense must prevail, and you must do what you need to keep yourself and your boat, and the public following behind you safe.
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    One last thing that works for me. As my canoe sits on the car a LOT, its always locked. By using a very thick flexible bike lock round the roof bar, and a seat/thwart, I can push the canoe forwards to "tighten" this which gives me an extra back up.

    OLD MAN is known for being "thorough" and on this one we agree! Having some sort of back up in the system can't be a bad thing.


    As an aside, I'm always amused by folk who tailgate me when I'm carrying a canoe on the motorway. They must be very trusting of my ability to strap it on!
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    perhaps i could run a third strap (or even some sort of wire padlock for night security) around these if all im concerned about is a backup in case of strap failure.
    Fine for protection against strap failure, but not much help if your roof rack fixing to the car fails. I know of several cases, both rack components and car roof rails. I always tie sea kayaks and open canoes to both ends of the car, but I don't worry about short white-water plastic boats, as it's not really practical to do and they don't catch as much wind.

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    Christ, i should of bought an inflatable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trig View Post
    Christ, i should of bought an inflatable

    NO, you should have bought a Canadian canoe
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    Here’s my vehicle mounted on my canoe


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    Haha, ive got almost the same picture somewhere, green yukon yak with my bike on the front. Never really enjoyed the packraft, and wanting something more suitable for lochs/coasts etc so thats why ive moved on. Great for that sort of trip though

    Though i left the backwheel on, which made the balance..interesting.

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    Alright, i meant to take a picture so im not completely derailing the thread, but i forgot..

    Ended up using 4 cam straps, 2 up and over and back the way most straps are done, but i couldnt stop it having a slight bit of sideways movement with these despite being tight to the kayak sides. So i had another 2 straps round the bars,kayak and loadstops to make it solid.
    Due to roof rack spacing and kayak length, i could get a stern strap down to the bumper, but the front sits a bit too far back for a strap i think.
    Glad i got the cam straps, can get them as tight as i can, and i just know with ratchet straps i wouldnt be happy till the kayak was squashed.

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