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    Default Cars and Canoes - a visual guide.

    Please use this thread to post real-world pictures of canoes on vehicles.

    Let's aim to build up a visual guide to how a given boat, or length of boat, fits a particular vehicle, so it's easy to work out if canoe X will fit on vehicle Y (or if it'll be fun trying). It's not relevant if you no longer own either car or canoe in the picture now, someone else might ...

    To help those people who aren't that great at vehicle ID (ok, to help me ), please can you specify what the vehicle is, as well as what the boat is (or how long it is).

    Apologies if you have already posted this kinda shot on other threads, but we'll have this one as a sticky for now, and it'll be promoted to an article in a bit, so it'll sit out on the hints and tips page for easy reference.

    To start with:

    Here's a 16ft OT Disco sat on top of a Land Rover 110 Defender.


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    A 14ft10" Novacraft SuperNova sat on a Alfa Romeo 147.

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    Vauxhaul Corsa 16 ft Mohawk Nova



    Vauxhaul corsa 2 x solo canoes 14.6ft Wenonah Argosy and 14 ft Bell Yellowstone solo



    Suzuki Vitara SWB 2 x canoe and length as above.

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    A 17ft3" Souris River on Alfa 147.

    You Definitely know it's there. Crosswinds etc can be a 'mare. Fuel consumption suffers noticeably. Front rack blown loose on M74 on one occasion - no harm done. Had to strap through car interior.

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    Venture Ranger 14 on a Citroen C1 (approx 11'3" long)


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    It fits! But we've acquired a Focus Estate to make it a easier to transport not just the canoe, but all the stuff that goes along with it.
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    A 14ft Apache, a 15ft6" Venture and a 17ft Penobscot. Not the best idea ever but was OK for a very short trip.

    Definitely not recommended though.

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    Default Wenonah Solo Plus (16' 6") on a Mitsubishi L200 Club Cab

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    Nova Craft SP3 (15ft 6in.) on a Vauxhall Astra Estate.



    And for a short journey down to the Harbour when I knew it wouldn't rain, here it is with an Old Town Pack "piggy backing".



    I usually hang a red flag on the back to make people aware of the overhang.
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    Default A Golf and 2 canoes

    A Nova Craft Prospector 16 and a Venture Ranger 14 on a VW Golf.
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    Old Town Camper 16 + Old Town Pack almost in a Mercedes van.




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    17.5ft over Fiat Doblo


    15ft over Ford Fusion


    17.5ft over ...well, you may know this one....


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    Default Micranoo @ Hallcroft fisheries landing

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    VW Golf Variant with a Coleman and a Wenonah Solo (16.4) on top. We made a wooden support that fits the hull of the Coleman and put the Wenonah on top of that. Nowadays we just put the canoes side by side using a bar that we put on top of the roofbars.

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    Bell Seliga (17ft) and Bell Yellowstone Solo on BMW 530 tdi.


    And a picture of the rack I fitted to the roof bars to give greater and more secure support. Have used same rack on a BMW 318ti, and my son now uses it on his Peugeot estate.


    Same rack again on Octavia estate, this time with a Bell Chestnut Prospector (16ft) and a 14' 9" kayak. The Octavia had an equal amount of boot space as the BMW estate (oop's, sorry, BMW don't have estates....they're 'touring's') The same boot liner fitted both cars perfectly. The Octavia in my opinion was a far better car by miles too

    And finally, after 17 years since our campervan days...back to a sensible useful vehicle...VW T5 SWB, seen here with the Seliga (17ft) and a nest of Bells in tow...they breed you know


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    Selway Fisher Prospector 15'8" (unfinished in this photo) on top of Vauxhall Zafira

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    Default Non-visual guide

    If you are interested in reading an interpretation of the law in the UK by the Department of Transport then it may be found here.

    The RYA also have a similar document here.

    There are plenty of other documents available.

    Distilling the document further,

    Make sure your canoe doesn't overhang more than 1 metre in front.
    If it overhangs more than 1 metre to the rear it must be visibly marked so that it is obvious from rear and sides.
    If it overhangs more than 2 metres to the rear you are into some more serious marking.

    When I looked into this a while ago I also came up with the advice to show a steady red light to the rear if it is over 1 metre overhang. This requirement may no longer be valid but I ended up with a steady, non-dazzling, red bike light attached on the rear of a long overhang boat (almost 2m overhang), in addition to an obvious dangling marker (about 18 inches of coured ribbons in a bunch).

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    Default Overhanging canoes

    The bike light idea is a good one - thanks.

    Our Apache doesn't overhang the rear by more than a metre. However I've made a sort of prow cosy from one of those fluorescent safety jackets. It's hard to imagine anyone not noticing we've got a canoe on the roof - but it's amazing what people don't see when they're!
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    15 foot MR Reflection on a Nissan Pathfinder





    And along with a Mobile Adventure 15ft Melody



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    Can do four opens on there side but the load limit is 75kg so a bit over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamC View Post
    If you are interested in reading an interpretation of the law in the UK by the Department of Transport then it may be found here.

    The RYA also have a similar document here.

    There are plenty of other documents available.

    Distilling the document further,

    Make sure your canoe doesn't overhang more than 1 metre in front.
    If it overhangs more than 1 metre to the rear it must be visibly marked so that it is obvious from rear and sides.
    If it overhangs more than 2 metres to the rear you are into some more serious marking.

    When I looked into this a while ago I also came up with the advice to show a steady red light to the rear if it is over 1 metre overhang. This requirement may no longer be valid but I ended up with a steady, non-dazzling, red bike light attached on the rear of a long overhang boat (almost 2m overhang), in addition to an obvious dangling marker (about 18 inches of coured ribbons in a bunch).

    Graham
    Be aware that rules are different in all countries and that most of the times "the law" doesn't include all kinds of (fluorescent or not) clothes dangling from your load. In the Netherlands and a lot of other (if not all) european countries the only proper way to mark the end of a load is the well known square with vertical red and white stripes, with an added red light if travelling by night. In the Netherlands I know that you must mark your load if it sticks out one meter behind your backlights (with a minimum and a maximum height where these should be...), but in Italy ANYTHING sticking out behind the car (even bike carriers with extra backlights and a numberplate) has to be marked...

    If a dangling cloth isn't correct then you might aswell not use it as it could also attract the attention of the arm of the law and then you can't tell him "excuse me, but I didn't know" as by putting the cloth there you show that you know something is wrong...
    (but then: for occasional use the man with the hat might also let it be as it's better then nothing???)

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    SpanishFly on a Ferrari 355 Berlinetta. No roof bars just a few lumps of old foam and straps through the door frame!

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    Should be Gary, obviously depends on the width of the bars but the RB on one side and maybe a vertical bar then your canoe, should work fine. I got a RB and 2 bikes on my 6 when I had one.
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    On my Rover, (Please don't laugh.) I had Thule 120cm bars. On the Mondeo, the recommeneded Thule bars are 108cm. Now both my Coleman 17 & NC Bob Special will fit the 120cm bars. But on the 108cm bars, the BS easily fits but the Coleman 17 is too wide. Something to bare in mind when buying new bars/carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGB View Post
    Pyranha H3 on Mondeo

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    I recognise that Style Chainsaw, mabye i did teach you something LMAO
    Only way they would fit oh great canoe transport guru. The usable space on my roofbars is only a paltry 90cm, so no chance of one flat and one leaning on the other at an angle let 2 side by side
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    Default Cars & Canoes (and boats)

    I guess I'm a bit spoiled, Toyota Previa, Ventuer Hunter (17' 6") on top and Drascombe Lugger (19' 6") behind.


    No need to worry about the canoe overhanging the back of the car though!

    I might try a couple of bars across the boat and having the canoe lashed on top of those next time we're away with both...
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    This is just the funniest thread - keep it coming there should be a competition on most outlandish canoe/car combination.

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    Bikemec gets a couple of 15ft'ers on his Seat Cordoba.

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    Bob Special on Rover 400 (Thule 120cm bars)



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    16ft venture prospector on a l/cruiser



    same canoe on a nissan xtrail along with a 15ft ranger (i think ) on a LR freelander



    before anyone asks, I have no idea what that tool is doing in front of the car

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    Here's our effort from a couple of years ago - this years vintage to follow soon.




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    Novacraft 16ft Prospector on a Land Rover Defender 90 (bit of a rear overhang...but a great place to stand in the dry by the rear door when it's raining)

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    Bobs truck at the start of another great paddling day...and no, not all those boats are Royalex just tough!!

    Hope you don't mind me posting a pic of the truck Bob, it's just soooo cool (I've still got the coat hanger stashed in my van for emergencies by the way.)

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    My friends always ask me what I think of car XYZ, they are usually super luxury cars which hold no appeal to me. The test of car quality is: Can it have a roof rack and what will it look like with a canoe on top? So keep your flash cars, give me a clunker with a roof rack it is worth a hell of a lot more to me than any super car!! Sadly at present I have neither a car or a canoe (first time with out a canoe in my 34 years and it is rubbish!!). Not long now though and the apache will be heading my way!

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    Here's a Toyota Rav 4 towing a '74 Boler and with a 17' 6" Hellman Prospector on the racks.

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    Here is a 15ft Ontario on Micra

    With some painter lines now properly installed it fits very securely - helped by the Thule aero bars and their sticky rubber strip. Dont use foam padding

    Under the front skirt of the Micra is a bolt hole in the centre of the cross member. This now has a loop of old seat belt bolted in and stabilises it nicely. Much better than the off centre towing eye and only 10 min job that cost a few pennies for an M6 (I think) bolt


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinacanoe View Post
    I guess I'm a bit spoiled, Toyota Previa, Ventuer Hunter (17' 6") on top and Drascombe Lugger (19' 6") behind.


    No need to worry about the canoe overhanging the back of the car though!

    I might try a couple of bars across the boat and having the canoe lashed on top of those next time we're away with both...

    Wow a Drascombe Lugger................I have wanted one of those for years, ever since seeing them at Rock in Cornwall, I even got some sailing experience under my belt and undertook some RYA courses in preparation.....Alsa I could never afford one........ I am sooooooo jealous.

    The Drascombe Association website is very good if you have not come across it.
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    Sorry to be a damp squib but I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Short of one of those 40ft hawaii type canoes any canoe will fit any car won't it? See pic above of Nissan Micra. If its tied well front and rear, and strapped at the (correct for car) roof bars, off you go, no?

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    yep, but the same question pops up every couple of months or so. I think the hope was that people would see their car and think "ah that's how to do it...."
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    A 17' Penobscot and a 16' Prospector on a Skoda Felicia (same body as an old style Polo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredster View Post
    Sorry to be a damp squib but I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Short of one of those 40ft hawaii type canoes any canoe will fit any car won't it? See pic above of Nissan Micra. If its tied well front and rear, and strapped at the (correct for car) roof bars, off you go, no?
    To me it's more fascinating to see what cars people use to put under their boats (what are they for, if not that?), than it is to figure out that a 110 Landy can carry a 16ft canoe. I sort of knew that, you see. The extremes are nice too: Huge boat on a tiny car, several boats on a car, towing a sailboat and so on.

    So, this thread might be useful for newbies like me to discover that you can carry anything, even on a small car (we have a Lupo 3L). Other than that, I simply find it entertaining to see people's gear, sad sob as I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkey_pork View Post
    Please use this thread to post real-world pictures of canoes on vehicles.

    Let's aim to build up a visual guide to how a given boat, or length of boat, fits a particular vehicle, so it's easy to work out if canoe X will fit on vehicle Y (or if it'll be fun trying). It's not relevant if you no longer own either car or canoe in the picture now, someone else might ...

    To help those people who aren't that great at vehicle ID (ok, to help me ), please can you specify what the vehicle is, as well as what the boat is (or how long it is).

    Apologies if you have already posted this kinda shot on other threads, but we'll have this one as a sticky for now, and it'll be promoted to an article in a bit, so it'll sit out on the hints and tips page for easy reference.

    To start with:

    Here's a 16ft OT Disco sat on top of a Land Rover 110 Defender.

    I have the same set up as you. I also take two lines from the yolk and secure them loosely to the roof rack. If one of the straps fail the canoe shouldn't leave the roof rack
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    As you can see. A Mad River 14 (14'6") on a Landrover Freelander.
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    Evergreen Vomo 15 on a Ford Focus.

    I do place the rear bar all the way back now, don't even bother tying up rear or front but a wood canoe is much stiffer than any PE or Royalex.



    Btw, my car has options like automatic windscreen wipers and automatic lights, the sensors for those are in the housing of the rear-view mirror so top middle in the windscreen. With the canoe on top they are in constant shadow so don't work as they should and do without the constant shadow from the canoe. Don't think they're broken as I once thought.
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