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    I wonder is anyone is trying this. When in france last summer we did a trip and then i hired a bike to get back to the start and pick up the car (while the mrs sunned herself.....). Now there was some difficulty with the bike hire because it was out of season- in france it nearly always is. So then i thought of the possibility of a folding bike that I could tuck away somewhere in the boat. Most seem either quite large or impractical for travelling 50k or so by road. Has anyone tried to transport a folding bike by canoe (perhaps with all the usual camping stuff and dog) and get back to the start with success?

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    I haven't yet, but I'm thinking of trying it once I get my canoe. I have a Ridgeback folder, bigger than a Brompton but not dissimilar. I wouldn't want to ride it more than about 20k though, not the best riding position in the world. Luckily the road route is often much shorter than the river!
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    exactly, in france we did a five day trip and it was still only a 3 hour bike ride to get back by road. let me know how it goes.

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    I have a Brompton it handles the same as a bike with normal sized wheels, not like the old shoppers used to do wobbling about all over the place.

    So distance is No problem with it, even though it's only 6 speed they are well spaced.

    Not very comfortable offroad though with 16" wheels and 85 psi in the tyres.

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    Certainly, I do it quite a bit. I had a 20" wheeled folder that I didn't like riding it, so now use a 26" folder. Takes up more room, but I view the day as a paddle and bike day and enjoy it much more.
    If it wasn't for the rain in our lives there would be no rivers. X 2

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    You don't necessarily need a folder, here is 'Il Shuttle':



    With 700c wheels.
    Not having mudguards helps get the frame in easily, and obviously quick release wheels make the whole shebang quick and easy.

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    Default for gear freaks or lottery winners...

    http://www.airnimal.eu/Rhino/Black.php

    These are the best (mine is an older version without hub gears) These are great pieces of kit - I actually prefer riding this to my mountiain bike.

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    I once took my Brompton along which I normally used for commuting but I found it a bit of a hassle taking up space for all the trip and it is quite an effort to peddle for long distances. Have rented bikes in France, hitched lifts, used buses, trains, hire-cars. Always seem to find a solution for getting back to the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seadog View Post
    http://www.airnimal.eu/Rhino/Black.php

    These are the best (mine is an older version without hub gears) These are great pieces of kit - I actually prefer riding this to my mountiain bike.

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    nice pair of wheels but maybe a tad on the dear side just for the canoe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankpaddler View Post
    nice pair of wheels but maybe a tad on the dear side just for the canoe!

    true, but on a multi day trip you can always go for an evening ride: beats sitting around in camp?
    If it wasn't for the rain in our lives there would be no rivers. X 2

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    Default Choices , Choices......

    To my way of thinking folding bikes are designed for short commutes, otherwise we would see lycra clad users every weekend enjoying their chosen transport for distance/fun rides - but we do not.

    They fold to enable the user to get to another mode of transport that is designed to cover any distance and thus purely have the function of convienience between more suitable modes of transport.

    Then again as fellow contributors have commented- Airnimal do an offer which I can confirm by personal use, does not feel like a commuter unit at all, but a very good road distance machine ! All be it with a smaller profile than most of its cousins, making it a slightly more compact unit to transport.

    All in all - the choice is like that we face when choosing a canoe...or canoes .......there is never one that does all things well, .....its all about the compromise...

    PS - 50k on a modern bike or folder is not too bad is it ......our grandparents would have managed this on a penny farthing after all. Long before folders and gears were even thought of........

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    Rich, I see your point (hence my racing machine which makes light work of anything) but see this:

    http://www.users.waitrose.com/~iancl...trip%20log.htm

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    Default Mr Dembrey : a true cycling hero !

    An excellent blog by a true gentleman.

    A two time end to ender ! Once on a folder (note the drinking habits required daily to sustain the effort...) and once on a mountain bike (sheer madness !!) What dedication to the two wheeled transport device!

    I like Willpower would opt for the lighter option for such a journey but as Mr Dembrey proves; cycling offers a reward to all those who have a route and destination in mind- whatever the form of cycle chosen.

    Ps I confess to mild madness too - riding Lands End to Birmingham on a fixed gear some years ago...and it was fun too.. And not once resulting to walking up those horrible hills.....

    Moral of the story :- On your bike ! Any Bike ! If it works : use it !

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    Perhaps consider this.

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    Shame there is not an inflatable small enough to carry on a bike but big enough to carry said bike. Or a bicycle trailer that converts into a Pakcanoe?

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    On family river trips we use a road bike, usually mine, it's smaller, because we only usually have one vehicle.

    It's good training too. Can't beat a quick 'time trial' followed by a paddle, it's a bit like adventure racing!!

    Then the bikes 'dismembered' stuffed in a bike bag, tied in and off you go - simple!

    It will even just fit in my Legend15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three Coats View Post

    It's good training too. Can't beat a quick 'time trial' followed by a paddle, it's a bit like adventure racing!!

    D'ya think we'll make it into a new olympic biathalon event?

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    I hope so, I might stand more chance if there wasn't any running involved, and if beach volleyball can make it as an Olympic sport why not open boat duathlon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro665 View Post
    Shame there is not an inflatable small enough to carry on a bike but big enough to carry said bike. Or a bicycle trailer that converts into a Pakcanoe?

    Peter

    P.S. I can't find a bicycling smilie.

    What you're looking for is this:

    http://pics.equinoxtrailers.com/Floating%20Trailer/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro665 View Post
    P.S. I can't find a bicycling smilie.
    How about this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe.ford View Post
    How about this one?

    Ok now how about a cycing canoeist smilie?

    (I know you like a challenge )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willpower View Post
    Ok now how about a cycing canoeist smilie?

    (I know you like a challenge )

    This was the closest I could find If someone could draw a canoe on the back it would be perfect




    Or if any one know what program to use to edit it, I may give it a go
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro665 View Post
    Shame there is not an inflatable small enough to carry on a bike but big enough to carry said bike. Or a bicycle trailer that converts into a Pakcanoe?

    Peter

    P.S. I can't find a bicycling smilie.
    Alpacka Raft make three Packrafts which will carry a full size mountain bike, gear and paddler/rider, the Yukon Yak, Denali Llama and the Fjord Explorer. The Rafts weigh about 5lbs and pack small, I have the Denali Llama, Explorer/Dory (and a Specialized Hardrock MTB).

    The Denali Llama, Sawyer/Alpacka Packraft Paddle and the Stormy Seas EXP100-Expedition PFD (here) make for a very compact, lightweight system, which is my preferred choice. Bic pen illustrates the Denali Llama's small packed size!



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    Alpacka Rafts are very popular with cross country mountain bikers as they can load their packs and bikes onto their Raft, and pack their Raft onto their packs. I even found that two (unrelated) people use their bikes (a Brompton folder and a mountain bike) to cycle to the river, Packraft, then complete their commute to work by bike!

    There have been Bike - Rafting expeditions using Alpacka's too.

    Alpacka Raft website, here.

    Epic Designs website, Bike - Rafting Gear, here.

    A Packrafting and mountain biking expedition, bikes, packs and paddler carried by Alpacka Rafts, here.


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    Bike - Rafting the Mississippi, here.


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    Funnily enough, I can't find a Packraft smilie, despite offering a prize on the Alpacka Forum if someone made one!

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    I've never considered a folding bike, I just pile regular mountain bikes in my canoe. I suppose though if your bike is less than 17' long this is not a great option.


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    Default folding bikes for canoes

    I notice weve gone from folding bikes
    to tandem for transport
    to mountain bike
    to 2 mountain bikes
    come on some one must use a mini motor bike
    enjoy your riding opps paddling
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    Quote Originally Posted by cragger View Post
    come on some one must use a mini motor bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe.ford View Post
    This was the closest I could find If someone could draw a canoe on the back it would be perfect




    Or if any one know what program to use to edit it, I may give it a go
    From a different thread: http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/for...reply&p=166082

    Quote Originally Posted by theMark View Post
    After a bit of searching I ended up using GIMP to create then . There are instructions how to do it here:
    http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1664.html
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willpower View Post
    i new i wouldnt be let down
    room to stow a tarp when the weather turn bad too
    what more could you as for
    wheels for dry rivers boat for wet cant be bad
    good one whats next
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    Quote Originally Posted by cragger View Post
    i new i wouldnt be let down
    room to stow a tarp when the weather turn bad too
    what more could you as for
    wheels for dry rivers boat for wet cant be bad
    good one whats next
    cragger
    Put a quick release on sidecar, drive to the river hit the brakes and your in.

    You'd be going through the water like a Torpedo

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    Quote Originally Posted by bothyman View Post
    Put a quick release on sidecar, drive to the river hit the brakes and your in.

    You'd be going through the water like a Torpedo

    MickT
    Except you wouldn't be in the canoe.

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    Perhaps try the amphibious sidecar! Full story, here.



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    Surely the answer is obvious - a unicyle!

    No need to fold or take to bits.

    Big need to develop good balance and invest in protective gear.


    My son is into downhill mountain unicycling!!!!!!!!!!


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    How about this one?

    do away with the bike and modify the canoe

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    Here's a cycle and Packraft (peddle & paddle) trip with 46 photo's.


    Credit: Esben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro665 View Post
    Shame there is not an inflatable small enough to carry on a bike but big enough to carry said bike.
    I stand corrected!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willpower View Post
    Ok now how about a cycing canoeist smilie?

    (I know you like a challenge )
    I didn't get on with gimp, so I used Good old MS paint. Unfortunatly that means I've lost the animation, anyone fancy giving it a go?


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    Default Coming back to the original subject

    Checking the prices for Brompton and Airnimal folding bikes
    I calculate that I could easily hire a driver coming in a black Mercedes limousine waiting for me to pick me up many times for the same kind of money they ask.
    Isn't there anything with a more reasonable pricetag out there? I'd rather spend that kind of money on a second canoe than on a folding bike...

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    If you're after a cheaper folding bike, with the advantages of no chain to smear grease everywhere and an alloy frame, and are happy to accept a bit poorer cycling efficiency, then you could do worse than take a look at a Zero shaft drive folder at 275. See here: http://www.zerocycles.co.uk/bikes.php

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    I bought my Brompton second hand. It is now more than 10 years old. It got used every working day for about 7 years and is still going strong. Per km it worked out cheap.

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    Whereas I bought a cheaper (about half the price) "inspired by Brompton" alternative, commuted on it for a year & a half & everything fell apart.

    Depends how much you use it. If its every day, obviously Bromptons are superbly made & last for years. However, even the 100 Halfords bikes would be fine for a 10 mile shuttle once a week over a few summers.

    Think I'll just be dumping the whole mountain bike in the canoe when solo, will allow a more interesting route if there are any bridleways.
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    What about a folding bike that can be re-configured as a canoe trolley. That really should not be too difficult. Come on all you engineering types

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    Here is an interesting canoe trolley :

    but it's not one that would fit in the canoe.
    More info here:
    http://tricolour.net/gtvs6.html

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    The people at Inspired Cycle Engineering (ICE) make a folding Recumbent Trike (like above)

    http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/trikes/q.htm
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    How about - get a 37 roof rack from Aldi if they still have them - join floats together (using pole) & away you go?

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    50km is no problem for a good folder - people do the 1200km Paris Brest Paris endurance ride on them! But they are no cheaper than a normal quality bike.

    Good selection here: http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/ - I can't comment on prices or service but it should be okay for research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rankpaddler View Post
    I wonder is anyone is trying this. When in france last summer we did a trip and then i hired a bike to get back to the start and pick up the car (while the mrs sunned herself.....). Now there was some difficulty with the bike hire because it was out of season- in france it nearly always is. So then i thought of the possibility of a folding bike that I could tuck away somewhere in the boat. Most seem either quite large or impractical for travelling 50k or so by road. Has anyone tried to transport a folding bike by canoe (perhaps with all the usual camping stuff and dog) and get back to the start with success?
    Yes. I have.

    http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/for...nt-on-Loch-Eck

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