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    Hi, i am thinking about buying a new Pelican Explorer 15.6 very soon, but thought i would try on here to see if anyone wants to sell their canoe, this would help you upgrade, im in Central Scotland if anyone has a canoe they are willing to part with.Im looking to use it in calmer water on lochs and canal. mainly solo use but will have wife and kid on days out sometimes ( i think)

    Pedro

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    Hi Pedro,

    Can't help I'm afraid not quite ready to trade in my battleship but thought I'd say hiya, I'm over in Larbert so not far away at all. Go for your pelican, if it's in your budget, it's a good enough boat for flatwater work, nice and stable if a bit heavy but it'll get you on the water!

    Cheers,

    Alan

    PS more than a couple of scottish pike fishermen on here too, not me though!
    Cheers,

    Alan


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    Thanks for the encouragement, from what ive read and been told the Pelican is ideal for what i need, if nothing comes up within the next couple of weeks it will be the Pelican.Pedro

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    They are REALLY tough boats - they'll take a lot of abuse without complaint. As long as you don't mind the weight, you'll enjoy it.

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    More than willing to flog you mine. Bought it in the summer and looking to upgrade. Peli Explorer DXL. A right shame I'm waaaaay down south in London/Kent. You interested? MAy be too far away???

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    Quote Originally Posted by emem View Post
    More than willing to flog you mine. Bought it in the summer and looking to upgrade. Peli Explorer DXL. A right shame I'm waaaaay down south in London/Kent. You interested? MAy be too far away???
    To far im afraid, thanks for the offer.


    Pedro

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    Default First canoe

    I feel I must put my paddle in the water here!

    The Pelican: it is best said that it floats.

    The seating is not comfortable and one cannot kneel to paddle due to the under seat space being filled.

    The hull does have a keel but it is mainly there to to accommodate the metal tube that is intended to stiffen the boat. A keel is not too useful although some would argue that this feature enables easier straight line paddling.

    Stability: my experience in a friends Pelican is that it may have initial stability when lightly loaded but when loaded this lessens. The important secondary stability that we all like is poor in these boats.

    The hull bottom invariably develops undulations that gives its other name of "wobbly bottom".

    They are heavy too.

    Earlier canoes of this type were made by Coleman, I'm not sure if Pelican is Coleman under another name or licence.

    My advice is shop around and I'm sure you could pick up a much better boat that would satisfy you for many years. Second hand canoes do crop up and will probably offer you a better paddling experience.

    This site has members classified and is worth looking at.

    Try also the ukriversguidebook .co.uk, there are sometimes canoes for sale on the site.

    This is a good place to ask for advice and as you have received positive and negative opinions bear in mind they are opinions.

    All the best with your search and may you enjoy your paddling well into the future.

    Dougoutcanoe

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    Ouch - glad I don't work for Pelican. You need to work on being able to express how you feel, Dougout - stop holding it all inside........

    (just to balance the scales -I've paddled a fair number of Pelicans and Colemans, and they're not all that bad. They track well, pretty good stability, including secondary, particularly when they're loaded, and they do have a hell of a good load-capacity. Caveat - the short models, 13 & 14 feet are a bit touchy - I LOVE them for WW, coz they are fast, tough, and REALLY responsive, but even the companies themselves say they're not for the inexperienced, so go with a longer model for a 1st boat).

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    I'm usually one to stick up for the ole Coleman/Pelican as a long time owner and fancier. But they are what they are, a cheap get you on the water no frills boat. No bad thing if thats what you want.
    The last thing i'd call them would be fast or responsive especially not REALLY responsive they do track well though but thats cos you need a big pull on the paddle to get the thing to turn.
    I don't think any experienced paddler, certainly not one keen on WW would consider one from their range though! The main plus point for WW paddling with one is it will do more harm to the rocks you hit than will take in damage
    Maybe they are different across the pond?

    I'd look at the Venture range you may find a more elegant suitable craft for similar money.

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    I used to take my sons old coleman out occasionally and take it down the WW course at Grandtully just for a bit of fun. These are tough old boats and they float quite well too.

    Mitch

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    Sorry I offended Sk8r it was not intentional. I expressed my own opinion of these boats, maybe I have had a sheltered canoe life using other boats.

    Sk8r I also take my dog with me on canoe trips but she is often wet from falling or jumping in. Her tricks include standing on the prow or balancing along the gunnels. Her breed is only half Jack Russell the other half is Border Collie.



    My canoe dog!

    She would also find Pelican/Coleman gunnels too narrow to walk along.

    Dougoutcanoe

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    No offence, Dougout - everyone gotta have a point-of-view. It's just that after 50-odd years of foolin' with these flippin' boats, I've handled stuff a LOT worse than a Pelican!!

    Nice lookin' bow-mate.

    My Granny used to take me to Southport for Summer holidays when I was a little girl visinting the UK - still remember with great fondness the Punch & Judy shows on the beach...

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    i have a pelican and i bought it from costco for 199 + vat so about 240ish it was the last 1 they had so was sold cheaper to me it came with 2 paddles 1 was split and so i repaired it, all in all a good deal for me i think they are normally about 300ish but they have em maybe from spring to summer but when they all gone thats it they don't get any more until the year after, i agree they are as tough as old boots i have paddled mine solo on flat water fine for me and i am a novice but was great fun with 2 of us,i bought it to have a bit of fun in with my 2 sons but i think i am keener than they are for me it wil do as a starter boat if i do get the bug then maybe i will buy something else but until then i'll keep plugging away in the pelican, one thing i will say its a great stress reliever getting out there in the boat with all the nature its very therapeutic for me and great fun

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    Default wow

    now going round and round trying to chase my tail
    some say yes some no to pelican. the cosco price is more in my price range what do i do only me going to use the thing

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    If price is the main factor then it's a no brainer unless you get lucky in the classifieds or Ebay.

    A pelican is about 300
    An apache is about 300 to 400
    venture or old town are about 600 and up

    Pelican can do some whitewater pretty badly but an apache would take a bit of a beating and they're too nice to be beaten up

    Cheers,

    Alan
    Cheers,

    Alan


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    like the sound of an apache

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    I gotta say - those prices are INSANE!!!! Surely you can find these boats cheaper?? Those amounts are at least 50% inflated, imo. Is that UK taxes, or rip-offs, or what??? I don't get it, but I sure as heck wouldn't be buying any of those boats at those prices......

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    aye thats the price .,,

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    Costco this year will be 390 for the Pelican Explorer i have been told. Sk8r everthing in the USA was nearly half the price of the UK, Canada is still pretty cheap compared to here, Last year i spent a few hours in Thunder Bay, then we drove up towards Armstrong where we got the seaplane to our wilderness camp for a fishing holiday, fantastic countryside over there.

    Pedro


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    Ye Gods!!! Apparently, I totally can't afford to be a UK-Canoeist..... you guys must be REALLY dedicated to spend that kind of money....

    I know the Armstrong area - it is gorgeous - don't get there much coz it's about 1500 km. from here (even tho' it's in the same Province - distances are different here...). White Rabbit, on here, is kind of a fanatic (in a good way) about the area - knows it way better than me.

    This is from Steel River, a little bit southeast of where you were:


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    Just a pointer, the Pelican does what it says on the tin, it floats and is a reasonable starter boat to get you on the water. It is not the most stable craft, it has low ends so on a choppy Loch you will have a wet ride, the seats are uncomfortable and you can not kneel in them due to the seat support so you loose connectivity with the boat and it limits your choice of seating positions.

    If you buy one from Costco, you will not receive any advice as they are a supermarket rather than a specialist canoe shop, also any warranty issues will have to go through Costco as no British dealer will honour the warranty as in effect they are grey imports.

    I would look at other boats rather than going down the Pelican route, either try and pick up a s/h Old Town, Mad River, NC or something like, or save a few more pennies and by an Explorer TT, Venture or Old Town new as you will have a solid base to learn from and have a lot more enjoyment.

    Cheers Graeme
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    could you classify grey import?surely the cost co canoe is made in the same factory ?
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    OK, the boats are made in the same factory but normally to a different spec than the boats supplied by UK dealers. They are then sold to Costco in the US who ship them over here and sell them cheaper than a UK dealer can buy them from the distributor, in fact they are cheaper from Costco than a UK distributor pays for them direct from Pelican.


    So
    1. They are not the same as a boat commercially available from a UK dealer in many cases.
    2. A UK dealer has little chance of getting any warranty return from Pelican for any work or replacement parts used.
    3. The outfitting is different so UK product replacements tend to be different colours, spec etc.
    If you watch Fleabay for the next couple of months you will see these boats being advertised as people buy them up and then sell them on, these are not canoe retailers so the warranty that went with the boat from Costco went to the original buyer so you have no recourse if anything goes wrong with the boat.

    Hope this helps?

    Cheers Graeme
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    that helps,thank you.
    If a hammer wont fix it it must be an electrical problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshire Canoe View Post
    ...A UK dealer has little chance of getting any warranty return from Pelican for any work or replacement parts used.

    From LP's experience, (and mine for none canoeing related products). Even the real thing at full price from a pucker dealer in the UK, will not guarantee you spare parts. Even if, for example, your seat breaks after 3hrs. use in the first week. For adventure gear & equipment, you might aswell not have a warranty. As the importer/vendor will just put it down to normal wear & tear. Or else say, that the purchaser has abused the product in some way. But if they care to send it back at their own cost. Then they will have a look at it. The cost and or hassle of sending said item back is often more, than getting a replacement from a third party. And the original vendor knows it.
    (Now I can see it makes good business sense, not to rile a customer. But there's always the hope for some original vendors, that a spare will be ordered, through them at a lesser cost than returning the item.)



    So you ring them up and send a few emails. Wait a few weeks and then get a replacement part/whole item from a third party, at the lesser cost or else just live with it.
    1. The outfitting is different so UK product replacements tend to be different colours, spec etc.
    Colemans/Pelicans fade so fast, that getting a spare part, in the same colour, would have to ordered at the same time as the original purchase.
    I've not actually dealt with 'Yorkshire Canoes' and gather your service, is without reproach. So it's not a dig at you. But over the years, I've had occasion to complain about a product/s or request after sales service, for something amiss in the the product. Which I've then found easier to resolve through a different company / come to live with / engineered something myself.

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    Thanks to everyone for their advice and offers, i have now bought a Pelican Explorer from Paul Mac on this forum,

    Regards
    Pedro

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