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    I have a Landrover Discovery TD5 and am wondering how I can get a canoe safely on top with out killing myself. This a theory question at the moment as I am still tryng to make up my mind about which canoe to buy, and what material. As all my canoeing will be done solo. I had planned on a Old Town Pack as it has the big advantage of low weight to hoist up on to the roof. However it does not allways get great comments on the board. So all suggestions and advice on both subjects greatfully received.

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    Assuming that you are not 7 foot 6 you could go with something like this:

    http://www.orsracksdirect.com/maine-...oe-loader.html

    Or you could just duct tape some carpet on the roof rack and have the same thing for free. If you don't own a roof rack, there are always human growth hormones.
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    Magickelly has a defender and I'm sure he'll be along to give you a few pointers to get it up on to your Landy.
    Watching him though, it doesn't seem to puff, or knacker him out so I'm sure that you shall be fine.

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    there is a thread somewhere on this site that shows you how to put a canoe on the rack by sliding it up two lengths of timber I'm sure this method could be adapted.....if only I could find it.

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    If you get a Pack you just lift it above your head and put it on sideways. Of course this only works with the Pack or anything as light.

    If the Disco you have has the roof gutters you are laughing. Fit commercial roof bars and have one right at the back. Carry the canoe up tot he back of the Disco and tilt the front up. Walk up to the car and lean the canoe so it rests on the ground behind you and on the rear roof bar in front and above you. Get out from under the cane. Go round to the end resting on the ground and lift it up and slide the canoe over the rear roof bar and so the canoe ends up resting on the two roof bars.Strap it down and drive off whistling a happy tune.

    The same method works for any van or car where you can get the roof bar near enough the back.

    Of course if that does not work you might want to try Big Al's method.

    http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/for...5&postcount=10

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    Default Landy Discovery and canoes Do They Mix?

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    As MK has said, load from the rear. Buy 2m bars and you can put 2 canoes side by side no problem with both hullls upward. With a pair of good uprights you can get 5 boats on there sides on a disco or defender with ease. it doesn't do your mpg any good with that load on though. But it sure helps if you are doing any shuttling on trips. Buy Thule roof racks worth every penny.

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    It'll be interesting to try this out later, as I now finally have my 110 on the road. Mine's a full length rack tho', so I may need a different approach to loading - the principle holds well enough, so it should be ok (or I'll be getting a trailer ).

    Hijacking the thread a bit ... does anyone do anything to the roof bars then to help the boat move into place. My old rack on the 405 had some commercial insulation to help move the boat around a bit and protect the gunwales form the rack - but I'm wondering what to do with the LR's rack - maybe some blocks of PTFE this time (or some of the small dingy rollers on the back end of the rack ?)

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    Default Wrap around material for roof rack bars

    You can buy specialist protective wrappings sealed with velcro from many kayak/canoe shops. But unless you have an exotic boat (ash gunwales, stripper, etc) it is usually not worth the hassle, as modern gunwales are very tough, certainly on an Old Town. Some people just use carpet off-cuts. You can certainly DIY if you really feel you need this extra protection.
    Although I invariably load from the rear, with a Land Rover Defender you can also load on your own from the front as well, if there are obstacles in the way at the rear, such as cars that must not be scraped, a trailer or the side of a building.
    Loading from the side you usually need two people on a Land Rover, unless you really are tall! Indeed, even the very interesting slide design shown by Big Al might be quite a height to push up the side of a LandRover.
    Frankly you get the necessary glide with wet canoe gunwales straight on to the metal roof rack at the back of a LandRover, without any need for a Maine Roller system. I find that 'cushioning' material on the roof rack is actually an impediment to this sliding process, and that the gunwales of most boats are well capable of standing up to this sort of treatment.

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    I wrapped black electrical tape all round mine but that was about it. I do put a bit of foam, under the gunwales when I strap it down but this is after I get the canoe on the roof.

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    I get my Pelican on the roof of my 90 OK by myself - even with big silly tyres on.

    I load from the rear, putting it through a loose strap so if it does slide it will not fall off.

    Unloading I do from the front as I find it easier than the steep angle from the rear: slide boat down ovr the bonnet and fasten on homemade trolley. Then just easy it down taking the rear end just as it comes of the roof. Mind you I'm happy to stand on my bonnet.

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    A friend of mine has a new Discovery 3. I understnd that conventional racks will not fit (please check this). he got the Landrover special which is a monster of engineering and cost him £600 including fitting. Trouble is it's really designed for boxes, jerry cans and the like. It really is not very good for boats with poor attachment points. You would think he could easily get two boats on but that was really hard work.

    Be careful out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper View Post
    Trouble is it's really designed for boxes, jerry cans and the like. It really is not very good for boats with poor attachment points. You would think he could easily get two boats on but that was really hard work.

    Be careful out there!
    I think I'm going to find this with mine too. I have an expedition type rack, which is further boarded out with plywood panels, and I think the central ones will be getting lifted out, so I can lash the straps to the middle of the rack, or my fixings are going to be a bit sketchy.

    Have to be careful when I'm sleeping up there then tho', so I don't end up sleeping on the rails in the gap ...

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    It's pricey, but another option are the Kari-tech racks.
    http://www.kari-tek.co.uk/html/roof_racks.html

    Originally designed for sea kayakers, they can also be used for open boats. (composite sea boats take less kindly to being slid around roof bars than royalex open boats) I have a friend who can get 3 sea boats onto his high roof Transit in one solo lift.

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    Hi,
    We have a VW campervan... very high too so I can relate, it also has a roof that lifts... but, We've had a Kari-Tek roof system made specifically for 2 open canoes to go on side by side!
    Their systems are fantastic, the bars are lowered down the side of the van, we load 2 We-no-nah propectors onto the bars, tie them down then raise the system, lock it in place and off we go!
    The Kari-tek system is attached to normal Thule bars or roof bars you have in place!
    We called them, told them what we wanted, sent some photos, and hey presto they customed a design specifically for us! it wasn't cheap, but then neither is surgery on your back, neck or shoulders from all that lift and twist action!
    I may sound like a sales rep, but I work and play in the paddling industry and have only just made the cash sacrifice due to the pains in the neck/shoulders... wish I'd done it earlier!
    Even better... if you are in the UK, they are a UK/Scottish company in Ayreshire west of Glasgow... www.kari-tek.co.uk
    Unfortunately I am in europe this summer so cost me much in shipping!
    Also may help you work out what boat to buy... although it opens up your options somewhat! Hope this helps, Ive just registered with Song of the paddle as I thought you should know about it!
    get out there!

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    If you have a straight forward roof rack on a landy, the thing that wil make a huge difference to loading canoes is reducing the friction on the front and back edges as the canoe runs over it - it will also protect your gunwales.

    Old carpet fixed on with cable ties does the job perfectly well at zero cost. Might not look too pretty on a discovery, but somehow seems to fit right in for a defender, particularly an older one.

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    I had a Landrover Discovery about 5 years ago. I took it to Sweden and managed to get a canoe and Kayak on the roof without too much problem. I am 5'10 and my wife is 5'2 so if we can do it anyone can. We get the canoe (Discovery158) on our shoulders and then use a straight arm lift and put it on the top from the sides of the car, I always took the bonnet position my wife the rear. The Landrover roof bars do add a few extra inches to the weightlifting feat!

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    We had a tdi disco and got 17'coleman on no problem. We put some carpet over back of roof (fluffy side down), lifted one end onto spare wheel (downside up of course), then get under and lift the front end onto carpet. Going to back of canoe we could push it forward, carpet slid along and then the front end can be let down as the back rises up. My concern wa that the distance between front and rear bars was not far enough to give stability to such long canoe and we had to tie front and rear ends. Shouldn't be a problem with a Pack though.
    we now have TD5 defender with a superb Patriot rack (made in Bedford not Oz or South Africa - yippee! http://patriotroofracks.patriothost.co.uk ) and my two sons, 14 and 12, manage to load and tie the Pack down nicely. They still need some help with the Coleman though (and the driving and the paying as well) so they can't pension me off just yet!

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    Thanks for all the replies to the post. The Landy can be a real pain. So I don't want it to be come a pain in the back as well, hence seeking your suggestions. I think that keeping it simple seems to be the answer, So a couple of roof bars attached to the gutters with one close to the back seems the way forward. The hardest part could be getting some old carpet. I will have to go and look in a few skips to see what I can find. (I have laminate floors at home). As far a looks go my Landy is a working family car not a show peice and I don,t care what it looks like. It has not seen a sponge and soap in six months!
    Regards Daneel

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    You'll have no problems going down this route.
    We have a '97 Discovery, and have two Patriot roof bars on it. We have Duck taped pipe lagging to the bars to reduce friction and load our boat from the rear (an Old Town Allagash 164 - not what you'd call a lightweight boat at 34kg).
    Although i've not tried it, i'm pretty sure it could load it on my own and i'm only 5'10".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel View Post
    The hardest part could be getting some old carpet. I will have to go and look in a few skips to see what I can find.

    Find your nearest carpet shop/fitter, they will have a heap of offcuts in a bin outside. You could just ask them for a piece. I just help myself.

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    Default Solo loading of two canoes onto a LandRover Defender

    Not worth a new thread on this technique, but maybe for all you LandRover enthusiasts a useful thought.

    One canoe to load on a LandRover = not a problem. Load from the front or the rear.

    Two canoes to load = sometimes more difficult. When you have a tall partner to assist, then strap one canoe in position at the side of the roof rack, and load the other one on sideways from the other direction.

    Even with an assistant I have had a few problems over the years, however carefully you perform this racking manoeuvre with the second canoe: e.g., we once sliced off a wing mirror when a friend dropped her end; a young man assisting once in a car park suffered a nosebleed when he dropped his end onto his face; even with several youngsters hanging on to a wooden canoe, I once had the wind gust at the wrong moment and that canoe had to demonstrate its sturdiness bouncing along the ground....

    But what about solo racking? Over the years I have used ropes and straps, and angles, and cinch knots, and cursing, and never really found a good method for the second canoe which needs to be eased into position, often with milimetres to spare at the corners. And you are always in a hurry, it is always late at night, invariably raining, and there is simply no-one around to help get that second canoe into place....

    But then surfing around on SotP, I see people adding additional struts, drilling holes, wing nuts, planks, specialist raising equipment on all manner of motorhomes and cars ... and it got me thinking ....

    Last night, a Eureka moment. Having put the first canoe into place and strapped it, I then pulled my aluminium canoe pole out of the back of the LandRover, joined it up, and threaded it through the Brownchurch roof rack at the front so that it stuck out on the side at an inclining angle above the wing mirror. Then I portaged the second canoe into position alongside the LandRover and placed the bow onto the end of the pole sticking out like a strut from the roof rack. Next, I lifted the stern up and over onto the back of the roofrack, and strapped it in position. Then climbing onto the bonnet I lifted the bow over from the angled canoe pole and into position, and strapped it. Pole out, disassembled, and driving off home in minutes....

    Now why on earth did I never think about doing this in all those years....?

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    Find deep puddle/mire, drive Landy in and roll canoe on top. Step onto roof and strap canoe/s down. Drive Landy out and away you go.

    Where's the muddy feet smily when you need one?

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    Default Slightly too deep a puddle

    Unfortunately, the spot where I had to manoeuvre canoes around last night, on and off my LandRover, is adjacent to the West India Docks.

    The 'puddle' there is 90 feet deep! So not an option to drive in there.....unless you have a technique for easy recovery of the vehicle, as well as putting a second canoe up on a roof rack?

    First photo on an earlier thread about 'Urban Boating in Docklands' shows the location, the LandRover and one boat up:

    http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/for...ight=docklands
    Last edited by Bembe; 8th-October-2009 at 10:25 AM.

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    When it came to it this was 100x easier than I thought it was going to be.
    I stuck a 50mm L-shaped section of PVCu moulding to the end rail on the full length rack.

    The nose plate of the boat gets hooked over the back rail, I walk to the [other] end of the boat, which is resting on the ground, lift it up and slide it onto the rack - with the weight being taken on the rack/gunwales. The PVC section allows it to slide, and protects the gunwales from the rack.

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    Have to agree with a lot here, load from the rear especially solo, I have a new freelander with roof bars as far back as poss and an old soft mat I lay on the roof to protect the paint taking on and off. In fact its a lot easier than loading my old golf.

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    I have a disco TD5 and after reading some of the posts I have a set of commercial racks I have an old town charles river
    I turn it upside down and place it at an angle at the rear of the car i lift the front up and place on the rack then walk to the rear of the canoe lift and walkforward I have a set of the foam protectors on the rack to protect the gunnels and hey presto loaded by myself
    is it paranoia if they really are after you ?

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    I carried our OT Disco on a 300tdi Discovery



    We didn't use anything other than brute strength to get it on and off the roof.

    It was easier with 2 people and easier to load from the rear of the car.

    i like these and was going to build one but for our couple of trips a year it wasn't worth it

    http://www.loadit.com/side-cargo-loader.html

    http://www.boathoist.com.au/kayak-loader.html

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    Of course - if you're the REAL Daneel, you just put it up there with one hand...

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    I added extensions to our roof bars, two opens side by side, and as you can see here an open "plopped" in between (it was a short journey)


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