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    Default Help - Very old canoe...circa 1880

    Help!!

    Anyone know much about very old canadian canoes???

    We have recently purchased & had renovated a beautiful traditional canadian canoe.........here she is a couple of weeks ago on her maiden voyage (since renovation that is of course).....



    She was renovated by a professional, not us I hasten to add. Wouldn't have trusted anyone who didn't really know what they were doing!

    We have some history but are trying to find a bit more info.... She was made by Strickland Canoe Co. in Ontario & imported to UK in 1934 (we have documented journeys which she undertook in her earlier years and photo's of her too).

    Now, each time I try to do research on the details of this company I get different information! I know the company was not in manufacture (or not as Strickland anyway) for very long & eventually became Lakefield Canoe co. Some say it was only in production as Strickland CC from 1880 - 1882, some give conflicting info. Can anyone point me in the direction of any more / reliable info??? Or where I might find out reliable facts etc???

    She will be in the lakes at the Open Canoe Symposium if anyone else feels the need to cooo over her as I do!


    Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer!

    Jas

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    You could start here Canoe Museum

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    Smile Old canoe

    What a beautiful boat. Sorry I cannot be of further help. Simply enjoy it!

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    Wow. Lovely boat. Sorry I can't help though!

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    Default old canoe

    Hi there,
    what a beauty
    I think you know
    http://www.wcha.org/ ??
    they are the specialists for wooden boats -
    Or may be that Jörg Wagner - member of the
    SOTP (or look at http://www.wooden-boat.de )- can
    help you, he is Europes top wooden canoe specialist
    and has the greatest stock in wooden canoes in Europe
    Regards from Hamburg
    Albert

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    Brill boat, hope you are well insured.

    Nick

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    What a beauty. I would love to see before and after shots if you have them. What was her condition when you started?
    Regards,
    Mike

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    That's a beautiful canoe for sure.

    TGB
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    May the gentleness of morning, greet your silent passage through endless waters...

    May all your winds be gentle. And for ww - May it rain the night before.

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    Not for white water then Jaz!!

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    Now that is just gorgeous!

    Unfortunately I can't help you with your research (good luck), but I am trying to convince myself that I ought to build a strip canoe like that???? Just mightily miffed at the cost of the raw materials here!
    Who's been sleeping in my porridge???

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    This is fantastic. I hope you will keep us posted with your findings.

    A little searching pulled up this:

    • 1858 Thomas Gordon starts building canoes in Lakefield.
    • 1870's J.G. Brown (former foreman for T. Gordon) starts his own canoe company, the Brown Boat Co., across the street from T. Gordon.
    • 1892 Strickland & Co. - Lakefield Canoe Works established.
    • 1904 T. Gordon Canoe Co. merges with Strickland & Co. The new company is called Lakefield Canoe Building & Mfg. Co.

    I found it on this web site. The owner looks like a wealth of information. http://dragonflycanoe.com/
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    Many thanks for all the interest - I'm really pleased it's not only me who thinks she's beautiful! I shall enjoy it indeed. It makes us proud, everywhere we go people stop to admire her & ask questions.

    We have been doing some further research, many thanks to those leads they have helped with additional info. I think we've decided that the majority of leads bring us to believe that Strickland Canoe Co. were only in existance & producing as Strickland from 1892 to 1904. However there are sporadic references suggesting that after Strickland's factory fire in 1893 that Strickland didn't produce any more canoes until amalgamation with Gordon to form Lakefield in 1904.

    From info we can find, it all points to aging our canoe at 1892-1893, which is very close to what we’d originally been told at 1890-1892 (not 1880-1882 as I originally wrote in error!). So the pieces are coming together slowly.

    We have been told she is built from Walnut and Mahogany. Prior to restoration she had a keel but our restorer told us it would have been added later on & wasn't original so we had it left off during the restoration - she tracks & handles beautifully without it so I can't imagine what made anyone add it on.

    I will try to pull together some before & after shots of the restoration, and if we get any more info we'll keep you posted!

    I hope we'll meet some of you on the water. I should be out in her at the Canoe Symposium and she'll be out & about in Norfolk working with TheCanoeMan - if you spot either of us, come & say hi!

    And Mary - no she won't be seeing any white water

    Jas

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasW View Post
    Prior to restoration she had a keel but our restorer told us it would have been added later on & wasn't original so we had it left off during the restoration - she tracks & handles beautifully without it so I can't imagine what made anyone add it on.
    Possibly to protect the bottom from river and lake beds.

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    My wooden canoe has a keel (original), most old canoes had one and many off the old and traditional companies used to give their customers a choice between someting like a lake or river keel (actually; big or shallow one!!).

    The keel under my canoe is only shallow and doesn’t do that much so I thought about removing it. I didn’t after I saw what abuse a keel protects the hull from. My hull stays perfect but the keel is completely bare after just one year, well my canoe is used extensively!! Have to do something about that soon for it’s a nice strip off solid ash .

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    Could the 'keel' have been a sacrificial rubbing strake?

    I.e a bit that would be replaced periodically as it wore down.

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    ...there are sporadic references suggesting that after Strickland's factory fire in 1893 that Strickland didn't produce any more canoes until amalgamation with Gordon to form Lakefield in 1904.

    On the contrary, the company was up and running in a “new” facility, an old church hall, in less than half a year. The company exported more than 600 canoes to England alone, during its first six years in business.

    Your canoe was likely built sometime between 1895 and 1904. This style of canoe, later often called the queen model, with alternate strips of light and dark “fancy” woods became very popular, especially after the company’s success at the Paris Exhibition 1900.

    Beautiful canoe.

    Cheers
    Dick Persson
    Headwater Wooden Boat Shop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Persson View Post


    Beautiful canoe.

    Cheers
    Dick Persson
    Headwater Wooden Boat Shop
    Hi Sir, and welcome.

    You make some very nice canoes yourself too, very impressive !! Would love to try one off those one day .

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    Default Welcome Aboard Headwater Wooden Boat Shop

    Dick tell us about your canoes. Post your web site so we can ooh and ahh.
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