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    out of interest why did you choose the boat you paddle, and what would you change it for if you could and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andym0611
    out of interest why did you choose the boat you paddle, and what would you change it for if you could and why?
    Having ten canoes - I chose them for different reasons:

    Cedar strip 17' guide: Needed a canoe - built a canoe. At that time - cheaper than buying one. Now, no seats, thin gunwales and thwartes - it is dedicated to harvesting wild rice and sedom gets out for any other reason.

    Jensen 17' Wenonah Kevlar: My favorite paddler - it was free, so I went and got it.

    MN ll Wenonah 18.5' Kevlar: Needed a tripping canoe. It is now used as a lender or for family members who need a canoe.

    Bell Northwoods 18.5' Kevlar: Needed a more stable tripper. Favorite tripper.

    16' Oldtown wood/canvas: Free, so I went and got it. Fixed it up. Due for another fix up. Smooth paddler. River canoe.

    16' Mad River Explorer Roylex: For running rivers.

    16' Explorer brand. A very strange canoe, but it was free.

    16' Bell Magic: Wanted the best solo tripper I could get. This is it, and it cost an arm and a leg.

    17 foot home made fiber glass. Free. Needs work - then up for sale.

    17 foot 1947 Grumman. Inherited. Can't sell (too many howls from family).

    I guess I'm just always looking for a canoe that needs a home.
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    I bought mine because:

    • it was'nt that far from me
    • it was in my price bracket
    • it was a birchcreek, and everything i'd heard about them was good
    • it was a solo, which is how I usually am
    • it was light, like 35lbs light
    • glassfibre, which I understand

    downsides...I can't see it being much fun in white water, not that i have any intentions of going there at the mo. It's a bit small at 13' and a bit twitchy for a big guy like me...

    I want to build a prospector or peterboro this winter... or........

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    My first canoe was the Coleman Journey which I bought as it was cheap and bomb proof. It was a great canoe but I wanted something lighter for when I was on my own.

    So I bought the Pack which was a great solo canoe and so light that loading it and carrying it was a breeze. I used it so much I sold my Coleman but after a while I missed the flexibility of being able to take more than me

    So after quite a lot of deliberating I went for a Prospector. A classic design which I was sure would be fixable enough to fit my needs. I was originally going for the 15 foot Nova Craft one but after a problem with delivery I changed to a We No Nah 15 foot one and have been very happy with it. I went for 15 foot as it was short enough for solo use but still long enough for tandem or with my children.

    Of course I used the Prospector so much I sold the Pack

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    I've an Old Town Charles River PE,

    I changed from the Mobile Adventure majorette as it was just to small, Why I chose the Charles River, Yes hull shape, price, avalabilty, etc... all palyed a big part but in the end I loved the looks...

    If I was to change it, poss for a royalex version of the same boat or if price wasn't a consideration I'd add a wood and canvas boat, and maybe a Jensen..
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    I bought my Old Town Charles River RX on recommendation from Kent Canoe Shop, as a good first boat for family use, and it has been just that. More recently I bought my Bell Yellowstone Solo, because I wanted a smaller lighter boat for the times I go out solo. It too has been great for that, and I hope will be prove yet more versatile on moving water, as it is undoubtedly more manoeuvrable. It is a joy to paddle, though the extra skill required to paddle it well and keep it stable, has re-inforced just what a forgiving boat the Charles River is. I probably use them about 50/50 now depending whether I am out on my own or with my family.

    The prospector design is always a nice shape to look at, but I really like the look of the Wenonah Solo Plus, it has a great shape, and it's versatility is very appealing. And for a solo boat I covet the Bell Merlin II. It is just a work of art!

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    Ours was the marsh country, down by the river, within, as the river wound, twenty miles of the sea.


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    I paddle a Dagger Legend 15.

    I bought it because I wanted a boat which would handle grade 3 white water but would also be reasonable to paddle on the flat. Whilst some of us like to think of ourselves as white water paddlers, in between rapids it is often flat and for a large part of the year, there is no white water available. The boat will work well for solo camping trips and also for me and the wife to go to the pub for lunch. On white water it handles very well, probably as well as any other traditional boat (ie non specialist ww).

    The boat is Royalex, built to a reasonable thickness so it comes in at 33kg plus outfitting, plus skid plates.

    I would love the boat to be a bit lighter but I worry that if it was built to the construction of the Reflection, it might be a bit lightweight for the battering it sometimes gets.

    If I were to change anything, I would add a little more rocker. Not much but just enough to improve turning without compromising its flat water performance. I like the full bows and would keep them but I might just add a little more flare to keep it dryer. It is a dry boat however.

    I have to say, having looked at a number of other possibilities, I can't think of a different boat I would prefer.

    I also have a coracle which is a traditional design. There are all sorts of changes I could make to that to make it suit what I want to do but then it wouldn't be a coracle.

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    I figured I would be canoeing mostly on lochs, and either solo or with my 8 yr old son. I was right - I've only once been out canoeing 'en famille' and just once on moving water the past 6 months. So I think my choice of a Novcraft Bob Special was a good one.

    It's very light, turns easily, handles well solo, and yet is pretty quick on the flat, especially tandem. Novacraft build quality is top notch. I have portaged it 1km without too much pain. I can fish in it and stand in it easily.It

    Used solo, I believe it will handle all the whitewater that I am likely to do.

    No real downsides. I have not found the 13" depth a limitation - though two heavy adults paddling tandem on ww might. Used solo with no pack as ballast, you need to kneel near the centre thwart. I could fit a centre seat, but I like the ability to portage it distances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Redondo

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    Sure looks iinteresting! But then I say that about every canoe. Well, I guess everyone has a vice, and canoes are mine.

    What the heck kind of canoe is it anyway?

    Matto,

    I have friends who've built strippers in the Merlin ll pattern from the Minnesota Canoe Association. Very nice canoes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pierre girard

    I have friends who've built strippers in the Merlin ll pattern from the Minnesota Canoe Association. Very nice canoes!
    Now you're making me drool over my keyboard. Not pretty! Where do they get the plans from?
    Matto

    Ours was the marsh country, down by the river, within, as the river wound, twenty miles of the sea.


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    I bought my Disco on the basis of the shape and feel of the hull, I wanted a deep freeboard in a long boat to give me hauling capability (which I've never really exploited to anything like it's capacity), and shelter when I'm paddling.

    I wouldn't change it, but I'm very tempted by a little Bell canoe, for evenings like tonight, when I fancy going out for a bit, but don't really fancy hauling the big boat out (although that would be 100% easier if I cut my hedge, so maybe that's a job for tonight).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matto
    Now you're making me drool over my keyboard. Not pretty! Where do they get the plans from?
    They were put out by the Minnesota Canoe Assoc, but I don't believe they have them anymore (some kind of squabble over just whose plans they were). I can find out where they can be obtained and PM you.

    MCA can be found here. Should be something about the plans they have available somewhere in that mess:

    http://www.canoe-kayak.org/pages/boatb.html

    or you can contact Al Gustavson at:

    building@canoe-kayak.org

    Al can probably help you out. What Al doesn't know about building strip canoes - isn't worth knowing.

    Surprisingly, I see they are still selling plans for the "Guide." Originally you could get the plans free. We made about 50 of these in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A very nice, if somewhat old fashioned looking, canoe. With my father and brothers, I tore down an old water tower made of clear 18 foot redwood 4" X 6". My father was able to get glass and resin from a gov't surplus outlet and we were turning out strip canoes for about $30 apiece, and selling them for $100. I only have one left.

    It was also about this time a friend was able to persuade Verlon Kruger to allow us to use the form for the "Kruger Cruiser," which is the ultimate tripping canoe. We were able to obtain Gov't surplus kevlar and were able to turn out the canoes for $100 and we sold them for $250 (no deck). Unfortunately, though I could have purchased one at cost - I was so poor at the time - I could never afford to buy one.

    http://www.krugercanoes.com/prod03.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matto
    Now you're making me drool over my keyboard. Not pretty! Where do they get the plans from?
    >> http://www.northwestcanoe.com/store/canoes.asp

    Is this the one??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bothyman
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    Is this the one??

    MickT
    That is the one! Bruce Kunz, just couldn't think of the guy's name. If you are at all larger, over 5'8" and weigh over 175 pounds - go for the 38 special. That is the type both of my friends have.
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    Thanks Mick, well spotted. If anything was going to persuade me to build a boat, the chance to build something like a Merlin would be it. Must dash, got to measure the garage again .
    Matto

    Ours was the marsh country, down by the river, within, as the river wound, twenty miles of the sea.


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    Mine is an Old Town guide 147 polyethylene.
    Itís cheap stable and built like a tank. The main reason I chose this particular boat was that I got a cheap one second hand. It is very heavy for its size. I leave it permanently parked at my local lake 200M from my house. The weight is a useful anti-theft feature.

    Iím happy with my canoe. I can paddle anything from solo to myself, wife, child and dog.

    If I were getting another boat, without going into a dramatically different price range, I would choose the Old Town Charles River.

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    I went for a Nova Craft Prospector 16 in Royalex after having had the benefit of paddling many boats through my work as an instructor.

    If I had only paddled WW i would have gone for a Legend 15. It is great on the river, surfs like a dream but too slow and small for lakes and expeds.

    If I had been paddling only on lakes I would have gone for something longer like a Freedom 17.

    I never did like intrigues (now horizons) as they are wet on the river. (Caused me to swim on the Grave Yard at the treweryn! Thank god for swim lines!) Great solo lake trip boat though.

    These were my favorite boats out of the many i have paddled and I didn;t think i would find anything like a perfect allrounder untill i knelt in a Nova Prospecter 16. It sings on rivers, is great on a lake (no matter what folk say about handling it in wind, i say TRIM!). And it will take me and my girlfriend away for a few days on the river with ease. I will let you know if i find anything it cant do! Just glad to have my own now rather than having to borrow them!

    Well, thats my story,

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    some interesting reading there people thanks
    have ordered a nova prospecter 15 royalex
    cant wait!! getting it this weekend
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    Gratis...
    Well, technically, I paid for the new yoke that was just installed.
    so, 50$CAD for a 16' Cedar and Canvas canoe, with three paddles.
    Best part of all is that my 4 year old is warming to the idea of coming out in it for longer and longer periods.
    It was inspiriting to hear the regular dip of the paddles, as if they were our fins or flippers, and to realize that we were at length fairly embarked. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andym0611
    some interesting reading there people thanks
    have ordered a nova prospecter 15 royalex
    cant wait!! getting it this weekend
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    Stuart Blink and I initially got a Sevylor 2-seater XK inflateable as we had a small house with a very small garden and no garage (and no high ceilings to allow Grooveski-style over wardrobe storage). Great fun, especially in the surf, but not so dry or gear-friendly.

    So we then went for an Old Town Osprey 140 - as that was exactly the length of our then front garden. As it happens we really like the canoe on lochs, rivers and even recent sea trips (blog is coming). A bit longer would probably bob around a lot less but that's half the fun! We find the Osprey is reasonably fast and can fit two adults, mid-size dog, camping gear for a week, camera stuff and two airbags.

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    I needed something like a pickup truck that would do everything well and excell at a few things so I got a prospector. I wanted Canadian made and top quality for under $1000 so I got a NovaCraft. Now the other canoes in the yard are collecting dust except if I lend them out.
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